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What more concerning than the lawsuit is they have all the money in the world and can’t execute on getting Siri working right. That is not a good predictor for

What more concerning than the lawsuit is they have all the money in the world and can’t execute on getting Siri working right. That is not a good predictor for how well engineering is at Apple. :/

mullingitover 9mo ago
It's possible they're being conservative because whatever they launch they're going to be stuck with for a very long time. Things are shifting so quickly in the space that they could very well launch the greatest horse and buggy today, and next week everyone's shipping fusion-powered teleportation devices. Then again it's very possible they are just flailing. I don't have strong beliefs either way.
- gigatexal 9mo ago
  Yeah you could be right. We never know. Though that they haven’t built out their own mega data centers means they are basically having to use models from the others. I think they should just buy Anthropic. Too late now that they awarded Siri to Gemini but idk I hope they pull this off cuz I love my iPhone.
  - mullingitover 9mo ago
    > Too late now that they awarded Siri to Gemini Apple won't ever allow anyone else to own and control their core technologies (as we saw with Google Maps back in the day). We can safely assume their deal with Gemini is for Google to sell them a model-as-a-service component that can be swapped out at any moment, with either another model like Claude, or with Apple's own future models.
    - garrickvanburen 9mo ago
      I would say Apple's original exclusivity deal w/ AT&T shows they're comfortable letting a 3rd party control some of the user experience if that's the only way they can get to market.
      - wtallis 9mo ago
        Sure, but that same deal was also unprecedented in how much less control the carrier got, and marked the beginning of the end for carriers owning the user experience on phones.
- semiquaver 9mo ago
  Was it conservative to promise it two years ago?
al_borland 9mo ago
Define what “working right” means? I think that’s the core of the issue with rolling out Siri as an LLM. People trust answers that Siri gives them. LLMs hallucinate… that a problem. To me, a hallucination means something isn’t working right. That’s not just an Apple problem, it’s an industry problem that everyone mostly tries to whitewash.

What more concerning than the lawsuit is they have all the money in the world and can’t execute on getting Siri working right. That is not a good predictor for how well engineering is at Apple. :/

mullingitover 9mo ago

It's possible they're being conservative because whatever they launch they're going to be stuck with for a very long time. Things are shifting so quickly in the space that they could very well launch the greatest horse and buggy today, and next week everyone's shipping fusion-powered teleportation devices. Then again it's very possible they are just flailing. I don't have strong beliefs either way.

gigatexal 9mo ago
Yeah you could be right. We never know. Though that they haven’t built out their own mega data centers means they are basically having to use models from the others. I think they should just buy Anthropic. Too late now that they awarded Siri to Gemini but idk I hope they pull this off cuz I love my iPhone.
- mullingitover 9mo ago
  > Too late now that they awarded Siri to Gemini Apple won't ever allow anyone else to own and control their core technologies (as we saw with Google Maps back in the day). We can safely assume their deal with Gemini is for Google to sell them a model-as-a-service component that can be swapped out at any moment, with either another model like Claude, or with Apple's own future models.
  - garrickvanburen 9mo ago
    I would say Apple's original exclusivity deal w/ AT&T shows they're comfortable letting a 3rd party control some of the user experience if that's the only way they can get to market.
    - wtallis 9mo ago
      Sure, but that same deal was also unprecedented in how much less control the carrier got, and marked the beginning of the end for carriers owning the user experience on phones.
semiquaver 9mo ago
Was it conservative to promise it two years ago?

al_borland 9mo ago

Define what “working right” means? I think that’s the core of the issue with rolling out Siri as an LLM. People trust answers that Siri gives them. LLMs hallucinate… that a problem. To me, a hallucination means something isn’t working right. That’s not just an Apple problem, it’s an industry problem that everyone mostly tries to whitewash.