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Me, absolutely not. Unfortunately, my opinion seems to be increasingly in the minority and more and more people will happily be surveilled for even just an illu

Me, absolutely not. Unfortunately, my opinion seems to be increasingly in the minority and more and more people will happily be surveilled for even just an illusory promise of safety. The harsh truth is that safety/security can never be guaranteed. No amount of surveillance will 100% prevent any individual from being a victim of a crime. Surveillance might help catching the criminal to face justice afterwards, but it will never 100% prevent. Because of that, and because of the potential for abuse, it is better to not be under constant surveillance than it is to give up your rights and privacy for no guarantees.

toephu2 9mo ago
There is no expectation of privacy in the public setting though. Anyone can record you in public without your permission. > No amount of surveillance will 100% prevent any individual from being a victim of a crime. No, but if it reduces crime by 99% would you be in favor of it? (See South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore.. examples of democratic countries with CCTVs all over the public space.. and before you say well those are racially homogenous countries.. I say look at Singapore. Singapore is very diverse racially, and yet they have very low rates of crime. This is because they have strict laws against crime and these laws are actually enforced)
- yibg 9mo ago
  South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore all had significantly lower crime rates before CCTVs were all over the public space. EDIT: also, most crime happens at home, so if you really want a large reduction put cameras in everyone's home too.
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  Singapore is very diverse racially… with groups that aren’t generally known to be very criminal. It’s mostly a mix of Chinese, Malays and Indians. I doubt the CCTVs have much to do with it.
- 5upplied_demand 9mo ago
  > This is because they have strict laws against crime and these laws are actually enforced Just before this, you said it was because of CCTV. Is it the CCTV or the strict laws and enforcement? India and South Africa are democratic countries with large CCTV programs and high crime rates.
  - dyauspitr 9mo ago
    India has a very low crime rate. The homicide rate is 2 in 100,000. Murder/homicide is basically unheard of in major cities. For instance Mumbai has a homicide rate of 0.7 in 100,000 making it one of the safest cities in the world. https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/crime-in-india-s-largest-cities-an-analysis https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/crime-in-india-s-larg... https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_in_most_populous_city.xls https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics... What are your sources?
    - 5upplied_demand 9mo ago
      The source is World Population Review. The US was used as an example of a country with higher crime that needed more CCTV to be safer. The US and India are almost identical in this ranking of crime. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rat...

toephu2 9mo ago

There is no expectation of privacy in the public setting though. Anyone can record you in public without your permission. > No amount of surveillance will 100% prevent any individual from being a victim of a crime. No, but if it reduces crime by 99% would you be in favor of it? (See South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore.. examples of democratic countries with CCTVs all over the public space.. and before you say well those are racially homogenous countries.. I say look at Singapore. Singapore is very diverse racially, and yet they have very low rates of crime. This is because they have strict laws against crime and these laws are actually enforced)

yibg 9mo ago
South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore all had significantly lower crime rates before CCTVs were all over the public space. EDIT: also, most crime happens at home, so if you really want a large reduction put cameras in everyone's home too.
dyauspitr 9mo ago
Singapore is very diverse racially… with groups that aren’t generally known to be very criminal. It’s mostly a mix of Chinese, Malays and Indians. I doubt the CCTVs have much to do with it.
5upplied_demand 9mo ago
> This is because they have strict laws against crime and these laws are actually enforced Just before this, you said it was because of CCTV. Is it the CCTV or the strict laws and enforcement? India and South Africa are democratic countries with large CCTV programs and high crime rates.
- dyauspitr 9mo ago
  India has a very low crime rate. The homicide rate is 2 in 100,000. Murder/homicide is basically unheard of in major cities. For instance Mumbai has a homicide rate of 0.7 in 100,000 making it one of the safest cities in the world. https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/crime-in-india-s-largest-cities-an-analysis https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/crime-in-india-s-larg... https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Homicides_in_most_populous_city.xls https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics... What are your sources?
  - 5upplied_demand 9mo ago
    The source is World Population Review. The US was used as an example of a country with higher crime that needed more CCTV to be safer. The US and India are almost identical in this ranking of crime. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rate-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/crime-rat...