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I'm not missing that distinction at all. I think it's nonsense to harass people for technically illegal things that are not harming anyone. I think it would b

I'm not missing that distinction at all. I think it's nonsense to harass people for technically illegal things that are not harming anyone. I think it would be fantastic if Mikey was passive in filming actual illegal acts that had potential for death or injury. I don't approve of him inserting himself into situations to try and intervene because I think that just increased the potential for an accident or other undesirable outcome.

ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
You keep implying that drivers distracting themselves with their phone whilst stopped in traffic are harmless, whereas it's very dangerous - that's precisely why the law was drafted to specifically make even just holding a phone whilst in control of a motor vehicle to be illegal. Drivers are not able to quickly switch contexts between staring at a phone and looking around their vehicle and this "whatsapp-gap" is painfully obvious when cycling past slow/stopped traffic. It does lead to collisions with other road users - typically pedestrians and cyclists as drivers tend to only bother looking for other car-shaped vehicles and even more so when they're in the 30 second re-adjustment of their attention. There is no "safe" use of a phone when driving - even using it in a cradle/hands-free which is legal in the UK, leads to a higher level of distraction and there would be a strong argument for making that illegal too, but we should focus more on enforcement of the existing traffic laws. There's people like Mikey trying to make the world a bit better, and then there's people like you who make apologies for dangerous and illegal drivers. Maybe you should re-examine your attitude.
- JCattheATM 8mo ago
  > You keep implying that drivers distracting themselves with their phone whilst stopped in traffic are harmless, whereas it's very dangerous - that's precisely why the law was drafted to specifically make even just holding a phone whilst in control of a motor vehicle to be illegal. It's not dangerous at all. Checking a text message at a red light for significantly less duration than the red light is by definition harmless. > There's people like Mikey trying to make the world a bit better, and then there's people like you who make apologies for dangerous and illegal drivers. Maybe you should re-examine your attitude. I have no need. Mikey is in it for the ego and the guise of 'making the world a bit better'. Anyone who can't see that needs to take a step back and reexamine their assumptions.
  - ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
    You are utterly wrong. Checking a text message at a red light affects drivers' ability to focus and recognise what's going on around then. You might as well say that drinking a shot of whisky at a red light for significantly less duration than the red light is harmless. Mikey is absolutely not an egotist - you're just pushing some nasty little agenda of your own by trying to cast doubt on his reasons. His father was killed by a drunk driver and he now attempts to work with the police to catch drivers in illegal behaviour before someone else is hurt and killed. If you do much road cycling in the UK, it becomes painfully obvious that there's a significant proportion of drivers that do not know how to drive safely or how to pay sufficient attention to what they are doing. I use front and back cameras in an attempt to similarly record bad driving and submit it to the police - it's a small attempt to make the roads safer. I certainly don't put as much time and effort in as Mikey, but I know exactly where he is coming from and it's just ridiculous when people think he does it for the recognition. He is NOT that kind of guy.
    - JCattheATM 8mo ago
      > You are utterly wrong. I'm not, so much as you are heavily biased. > Checking a text message at a red light affects drivers' ability to focus and recognise what's going on around then. This is nonsense. Cite some studies to support your point if you like, but I doubt you will find any. Most people can check a message responsibly. The countries that don't make doing so illegal don't tend to have worse accident rates. There's really nothing to support your belief. > Mikey is absolutely not an egotist He absolutely is. It's why he forces himself into situations. Not to mention he benfits financially from doing so. > he now attempts to work with the police He doesn't work 'with' the police, he forwards footage, that's it. > to catch drivers in illegal behaviour before someone else is hurt and killed. He catches some dangerous behavior, he also catches harmless behavior that is common and costs people money. I wish him all the worst. > I use front and back cameras in an attempt to similarly record bad driving and submit it to the police - it's a small attempt to make the roads safer. Are you ever worried about someone jacking the cameras if you have an accident?
      - 8mo ago

ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago

You keep implying that drivers distracting themselves with their phone whilst stopped in traffic are harmless, whereas it's very dangerous - that's precisely why the law was drafted to specifically make even just holding a phone whilst in control of a motor vehicle to be illegal. Drivers are not able to quickly switch contexts between staring at a phone and looking around their vehicle and this "whatsapp-gap" is painfully obvious when cycling past slow/stopped traffic. It does lead to collisions with other road users - typically pedestrians and cyclists as drivers tend to only bother looking for other car-shaped vehicles and even more so when they're in the 30 second re-adjustment of their attention. There is no "safe" use of a phone when driving - even using it in a cradle/hands-free which is legal in the UK, leads to a higher level of distraction and there would be a strong argument for making that illegal too, but we should focus more on enforcement of the existing traffic laws. There's people like Mikey trying to make the world a bit better, and then there's people like you who make apologies for dangerous and illegal drivers. Maybe you should re-examine your attitude.

JCattheATM 8mo ago
> You keep implying that drivers distracting themselves with their phone whilst stopped in traffic are harmless, whereas it's very dangerous - that's precisely why the law was drafted to specifically make even just holding a phone whilst in control of a motor vehicle to be illegal. It's not dangerous at all. Checking a text message at a red light for significantly less duration than the red light is by definition harmless. > There's people like Mikey trying to make the world a bit better, and then there's people like you who make apologies for dangerous and illegal drivers. Maybe you should re-examine your attitude. I have no need. Mikey is in it for the ego and the guise of 'making the world a bit better'. Anyone who can't see that needs to take a step back and reexamine their assumptions.
- ndsipa_pomu 8mo ago
  You are utterly wrong. Checking a text message at a red light affects drivers' ability to focus and recognise what's going on around then. You might as well say that drinking a shot of whisky at a red light for significantly less duration than the red light is harmless. Mikey is absolutely not an egotist - you're just pushing some nasty little agenda of your own by trying to cast doubt on his reasons. His father was killed by a drunk driver and he now attempts to work with the police to catch drivers in illegal behaviour before someone else is hurt and killed. If you do much road cycling in the UK, it becomes painfully obvious that there's a significant proportion of drivers that do not know how to drive safely or how to pay sufficient attention to what they are doing. I use front and back cameras in an attempt to similarly record bad driving and submit it to the police - it's a small attempt to make the roads safer. I certainly don't put as much time and effort in as Mikey, but I know exactly where he is coming from and it's just ridiculous when people think he does it for the recognition. He is NOT that kind of guy.
  - JCattheATM 8mo ago
    > You are utterly wrong. I'm not, so much as you are heavily biased. > Checking a text message at a red light affects drivers' ability to focus and recognise what's going on around then. This is nonsense. Cite some studies to support your point if you like, but I doubt you will find any. Most people can check a message responsibly. The countries that don't make doing so illegal don't tend to have worse accident rates. There's really nothing to support your belief. > Mikey is absolutely not an egotist He absolutely is. It's why he forces himself into situations. Not to mention he benfits financially from doing so. > he now attempts to work with the police He doesn't work 'with' the police, he forwards footage, that's it. > to catch drivers in illegal behaviour before someone else is hurt and killed. He catches some dangerous behavior, he also catches harmless behavior that is common and costs people money. I wish him all the worst. > I use front and back cameras in an attempt to similarly record bad driving and submit it to the police - it's a small attempt to make the roads safer. Are you ever worried about someone jacking the cameras if you have an accident?
    - 8mo ago