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How confusing. There's no appreciable difference between "refuse" and "reduce". "Rot" is only applicable to organic waste, which is rarely considered part of "r

How confusing. There's no appreciable difference between "refuse" and "reduce". "Rot" is only applicable to organic waste, which is rarely considered part of "recycling" since the other Rs don't really apply. Seems like change for change's sake.

NooneAtAll3 8mo ago
Rot is about using bio-degradable options where there is one if all fails, just leave an option for nature to do it for you
- AlexandrB 8mo ago
  Bio degradable packaging is not really suitable for composting yourself. Most of it takes a really long time to break down naturally or requires high composting temperatures that can be hard to achieve in a home compost pile. This is true even for basic stuff like cardboard and paper. You also need a lot of "green"[1] (high nitrogen) composting material to balance out cellulose from packaging. The net result is that this is still an industrial process. Though probably less energy-intensive than recycling. Source: we have a compost pile and it's not all sunshine and roses. [1] https://www.thespruce.com/composting-greens-and-browns-2539485 https://www.thespruce.com/composting-greens-and-browns-25394...
  - coryrc 8mo ago
    They also sometimes coat your "compostable" bowls/plates/boxes in PFAS: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/pfas-compostable-food-packaging-1.6794550 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/pfas-compostable-food-packag...
- happymellon 8mo ago
  You have to be careful with that phrase through. > using bio-degradable options where there is one A lot of "biodegradable" will use a literal interpretation, in that it it degrades in nature. 500 years you say? But it still degrades... Home compostable is really the only one that makes sense. Even industrial composting requires a high heat environment as the catalyst, so if something contaminates the batch and goes into general refuse then it will never break down.
  - charcircuit 8mo ago
    500 years is only a blink in Earths lifespan.
    - happymellon 8mo ago
      But its a lot longer than most people expect biodegradable to mean.
imglorp 8mo ago
Consumers have the option to "refuse" products from irresponsible or predatory vendors: ones which brick or obsolete devices. Vendors should at a minimum open source APIs for abandoned hardware and allow unlocking it. "Refuse" to buy from those that don't. Ask for legislation forcing it. I have a wonderful old ipad mini that's useless. I'd love to jailbreak it and put my OS on there but Apple wants a new sale instead.
randusername 8mo ago
I read it as refuse categorically and rot regardless of type in a big sweep from best to worst refuse to use any, reduce your usage, reuse yourself, recycle them into new products, or else they'll just rot I like it.
ssl-3 8mo ago
Organic waste can be reused. Ever watch Human Centipede?

NooneAtAll3 8mo ago

Rot is about using bio-degradable options where there is one if all fails, just leave an option for nature to do it for you

AlexandrB 8mo ago
Bio degradable packaging is not really suitable for composting yourself. Most of it takes a really long time to break down naturally or requires high composting temperatures that can be hard to achieve in a home compost pile. This is true even for basic stuff like cardboard and paper. You also need a lot of "green"[1] (high nitrogen) composting material to balance out cellulose from packaging. The net result is that this is still an industrial process. Though probably less energy-intensive than recycling. Source: we have a compost pile and it's not all sunshine and roses. [1] https://www.thespruce.com/composting-greens-and-browns-2539485 https://www.thespruce.com/composting-greens-and-browns-25394...
- coryrc 8mo ago
  They also sometimes coat your "compostable" bowls/plates/boxes in PFAS: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/pfas-compostable-food-packaging-1.6794550 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/pfas-compostable-food-packag...
happymellon 8mo ago
You have to be careful with that phrase through. > using bio-degradable options where there is one A lot of "biodegradable" will use a literal interpretation, in that it it degrades in nature. 500 years you say? But it still degrades... Home compostable is really the only one that makes sense. Even industrial composting requires a high heat environment as the catalyst, so if something contaminates the batch and goes into general refuse then it will never break down.
- charcircuit 8mo ago
  500 years is only a blink in Earths lifespan.
  - happymellon 8mo ago
    But its a lot longer than most people expect biodegradable to mean.

imglorp 8mo ago

Consumers have the option to "refuse" products from irresponsible or predatory vendors: ones which brick or obsolete devices. Vendors should at a minimum open source APIs for abandoned hardware and allow unlocking it. "Refuse" to buy from those that don't. Ask for legislation forcing it. I have a wonderful old ipad mini that's useless. I'd love to jailbreak it and put my OS on there but Apple wants a new sale instead.

randusername 8mo ago

I read it as refuse categorically and rot regardless of type in a big sweep from best to worst refuse to use any, reduce your usage, reuse yourself, recycle them into new products, or else they'll just rot I like it.

ssl-3 8mo ago

Organic waste can be reused. Ever watch Human Centipede?