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This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly

by jenius 14y ago

This is an abomination. Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? Not to mention that the design here is very poorly executed, and as someone else mentioned the responsiveness doesn't even work. I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer, I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. As Gob would say, "COME ON!"

ceejayoz 14y ago
> Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? No, that's why the framework appears to include a lot more than that.
- jenius 14y ago
  On the contrary, it may include a lot more than that but it appears not to.
  - ceejayoz 14y ago
    Only if you ignore the various links to demos, documentation, etc.
  - MrUnknown 14y ago
    but it does, so what's your point?
scanr 14y ago
> This is an abomination That's pretty rude. > Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? This story is on the front page, so there are obviously some folk who would. I quite like it, and if it improves as a result of positive feedback, that'll be great. Your feedback has not been positive. > I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am being a hater and a downer but I'm hardly having to put any effort into it". > I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. I can't believe this is the state of commenting right now. Ah, wait, no, this is just your comment and is not 'the state of commenting'. As I would say, "COME ON!".
- Supreme 14y ago
  > That's pretty rude. He's entitled to his opinion and has the right to criticize whatever he wants, however he wants. If you don't like it, why not just move on. Positive feedback is not the only useful type of feedback. If someone suggested, say, developing a new site on the Gopher protocol then the appropriate response is to tell them that it's a stupid idea, mainly because it is a stupid idea. There is much more to be gained from emotionally disconnecting yourself from the fruits of your labour than it is to always, without fail be positive about everything. It is folly to pick yang over yin or vice-versa. The fact of the matter is that a lot of people will have this emotional reaction to this project and not telling the author in order to protect their feelings is going to hurt their success in the long run. I feel that being rude is insulting the person. Being honest is insulting the work (if one honestly feels that it is unworthy enough to be treated as such). > Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am being a hater and a downer but I'm hardly having to put any effort into it". A hater is someone who hates out of prejudice. For example, hating a celebrity because one is jealous of their wealth or think that they do not deserve what they have. I do not detect any prejudice here, just an honest reaction to something. The most ironic thing about your post is that you mimic Grandparent's tone, which you yourself label as rude and throw it back at him. Surely a mature response is to respond in a way which you find acceptable, not simply stoop down to what you perceive to be a lower and, ultimately, unacceptable level?
  - mikeash 14y ago
    > He's entitled to his opinion and has the right to criticize whatever he wants, however he wants. If you don't like it, why not just move on. Why does that attitude not equally apply to critiques of this guy's comment? Why don't you just move on?
    - givan 14y ago
      This also applies for you and me.
      - mikeash 14y ago
Avalaxy 14y ago
The greatest thing about this is that it is open source. You can add your own contributions: https://github.com/aozora/bootmetro https://github.com/aozora/bootmetro
- deleted 14y ago
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jessedhillon 14y ago
You might have missed this relevant piece of information: > Latest version: 0.5
Johngibb 14y ago
Please, be constructive instead of just dismissive. A nasty tone doesn't help anyone nor does it encourage trying new things.
- jenius 14y ago
  I tried to be constructive, but I honestly couldn't find a single good thing about this. The execution was poor, and the entire idea of making a 'framework' out of boxes with background colors is ridiculous. I do apologize for the harshness, especially if it offended people, and I'm all for trying new things, but something like this should absolutely not be up on the popular page of hacker news. This is an amateur attempt at a framework that was very poorly done. Is that honestly deserving of more than 100 upvotes?
  - Johngibb 14y ago
    I think your criticism is well founded. That said, the author did put work into something, document it, and share it freely with the community - and for that reason, I'd rather not see someone hurt their feelings calling their work an 'abomination.' I just think with a slightly different tone you could have made the same point in a way that would show the OP some brutal honesty but without discouraging them.
    - jenius 14y ago
      good reply and good point. thank you
wickedbass 14y ago
Touche! Some of these css frameworks are getting ridiculous... CSS is easy, why do we need frameworks for it? And wow I hope this is not the direction web design is headed!
- funknut 14y ago
  I appreciate CSS frameworks for taking some of the complexities out of tedious tasks. Without pre-built frameworks, I would still be using my own half-baked custom boilerplates. I agree with your sentiment about the direction of design. Am i the only one who is already sick of all the metro copies out there? I have never wanted to design a web site/app that looks exactly like another brand, e.g. Microsoft's Metro.

by jenius 14y ago

ceejayoz 14y ago

> Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? No, that's why the framework appears to include a lot more than that.

jenius 14y ago
On the contrary, it may include a lot more than that but it appears not to.
- ceejayoz 14y ago
  Only if you ignore the various links to demos, documentation, etc.
- MrUnknown 14y ago
  but it does, so what's your point?

scanr 14y ago

> This is an abomination That's pretty rude. > Do we honestly need a "framework" to use the background-color and float properties? This story is on the front page, so there are obviously some folk who would. I quite like it, and if it improves as a result of positive feedback, that'll be great. Your feedback has not been positive. > I'm not trying to be a hater or a downer Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am being a hater and a downer but I'm hardly having to put any effort into it". > I just can't believe that this is the state of web design right now. I can't believe this is the state of commenting right now. Ah, wait, no, this is just your comment and is not 'the state of commenting'. As I would say, "COME ON!".

Supreme 14y ago
> That's pretty rude. He's entitled to his opinion and has the right to criticize whatever he wants, however he wants. If you don't like it, why not just move on. Positive feedback is not the only useful type of feedback. If someone suggested, say, developing a new site on the Gopher protocol then the appropriate response is to tell them that it's a stupid idea, mainly because it is a stupid idea. There is much more to be gained from emotionally disconnecting yourself from the fruits of your labour than it is to always, without fail be positive about everything. It is folly to pick yang over yin or vice-versa. The fact of the matter is that a lot of people will have this emotional reaction to this project and not telling the author in order to protect their feelings is going to hurt their success in the long run. I feel that being rude is insulting the person. Being honest is insulting the work (if one honestly feels that it is unworthy enough to be treated as such). > Yes, yes you are. Or perhaps you meant "I am being a hater and a downer but I'm hardly having to put any effort into it". A hater is someone who hates out of prejudice. For example, hating a celebrity because one is jealous of their wealth or think that they do not deserve what they have. I do not detect any prejudice here, just an honest reaction to something. The most ironic thing about your post is that you mimic Grandparent's tone, which you yourself label as rude and throw it back at him. Surely a mature response is to respond in a way which you find acceptable, not simply stoop down to what you perceive to be a lower and, ultimately, unacceptable level?
- mikeash 14y ago
  > He's entitled to his opinion and has the right to criticize whatever he wants, however he wants. If you don't like it, why not just move on. Why does that attitude not equally apply to critiques of this guy's comment? Why don't you just move on?
  - givan 14y ago
    This also applies for you and me.
    - mikeash 14y ago

Avalaxy 14y ago

The greatest thing about this is that it is open source. You can add your own contributions: https://github.com/aozora/bootmetro https://github.com/aozora/bootmetro

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jessedhillon 14y ago

You might have missed this relevant piece of information: > Latest version: 0.5

Johngibb 14y ago

Please, be constructive instead of just dismissive. A nasty tone doesn't help anyone nor does it encourage trying new things.

jenius 14y ago
I tried to be constructive, but I honestly couldn't find a single good thing about this. The execution was poor, and the entire idea of making a 'framework' out of boxes with background colors is ridiculous. I do apologize for the harshness, especially if it offended people, and I'm all for trying new things, but something like this should absolutely not be up on the popular page of hacker news. This is an amateur attempt at a framework that was very poorly done. Is that honestly deserving of more than 100 upvotes?
- Johngibb 14y ago
  I think your criticism is well founded. That said, the author did put work into something, document it, and share it freely with the community - and for that reason, I'd rather not see someone hurt their feelings calling their work an 'abomination.' I just think with a slightly different tone you could have made the same point in a way that would show the OP some brutal honesty but without discouraging them.
  - jenius 14y ago
    good reply and good point. thank you

wickedbass 14y ago

Touche! Some of these css frameworks are getting ridiculous... CSS is easy, why do we need frameworks for it? And wow I hope this is not the direction web design is headed!

funknut 14y ago
I appreciate CSS frameworks for taking some of the complexities out of tedious tasks. Without pre-built frameworks, I would still be using my own half-baked custom boilerplates. I agree with your sentiment about the direction of design. Am i the only one who is already sick of all the metro copies out there? I have never wanted to design a web site/app that looks exactly like another brand, e.g. Microsoft's Metro.