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I'm struggling to see how this operator helps-- is there some scenario that I cannot imagine that others are dealing with where this operator is useful? Specifi

by rirze 8mo ago

I'm struggling to see how this operator helps-- is there some scenario that I cannot imagine that others are dealing with where this operator is useful? Specifically, what problems does this solve?

baby_souffle 8mo ago
Renovate lets you configure most things in each repos individual config file. I can only imagine a set of intersecting edge cases where operator pattern is the most logical solution… Edit: good answers here. https://old.reddit.com/r/kubernetes/comments/1r1u7um/renovate_the_kubernetesnative_way/o4sa061/ https://old.reddit.com/r/kubernetes/comments/1r1u7um/renovat...
- rirze 8mo ago
  So... helm without helm?
JanLepsky 8mo ago
There's several benefits we had in mind when building this (after using self-hosted Renovate ourselves): k8s-native approach: It uses CRDs, so that Renovate configs are Kubernetes resources. You can manage them more easily/granular with Argo/Flux/kubectl as part of existing workflows instead of a Cronjob. Job isolation: The operator spawns individual jobs per repo instead of one run. If a repo is stuck it doesn't block everything else. Webhook support: repos get updated immediately, not just on the next cron cycle. Visibility: There's a light-weight, built-in UI showing repos, job status, and progress. There's more on the Github repo, we added a full list of features and benefits to the readme. Of course, in the end it comes down to individual preferences :) Not saying one way is better than the other. We just felt that for us, the operator-based approach would work better and we're happy if the project is benefitial for others as well!
- bryanlarsen 8mo ago
  Can you step back further and explain what Renovate and its competitors like Mend actually do, and what kind of tasks people use them for?
  - JanLepsky 8mo ago
    In short, Renovate (by Mend) is a dependency manager for software projects. It watches your repository for outdated libraries, packages, and frameworks and opens Pull Requests to update them.
  - maverwa 8mo ago
    Mend is not a competitor, renovate is the software, mend is the company. They are tools that automatically check your repo for dependencies and create PRs when there are updates. It supports a wide range of package managers and other places dependencies may be specified. Dependabot is another solution which is more „GitHub-native“ maybe.
  - esafak 8mo ago
    To help you automate dependency updates, similar to dependabot. https://www.mend.io/renovate/ https://www.mend.io/renovate/ https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/keep-all-your-packages-up-to-date-with-dependabot/ https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/keep-all-your...
  - deleted 8mo ago
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  - jamietanna 8mo ago
    See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011111 (a blog post I wrote, prior to joining Mend and working as a Renovate maintainer)

by rirze 8mo ago

I'm struggling to see how this operator helps-- is there some scenario that I cannot imagine that others are dealing with where this operator is useful? Specifically, what problems does this solve?

baby_souffle 8mo ago

Renovate lets you configure most things in each repos individual config file. I can only imagine a set of intersecting edge cases where operator pattern is the most logical solution… Edit: good answers here. https://old.reddit.com/r/kubernetes/comments/1r1u7um/renovate_the_kubernetesnative_way/o4sa061/ https://old.reddit.com/r/kubernetes/comments/1r1u7um/renovat...

rirze 8mo ago
So... helm without helm?

JanLepsky 8mo ago

There's several benefits we had in mind when building this (after using self-hosted Renovate ourselves): k8s-native approach: It uses CRDs, so that Renovate configs are Kubernetes resources. You can manage them more easily/granular with Argo/Flux/kubectl as part of existing workflows instead of a Cronjob. Job isolation: The operator spawns individual jobs per repo instead of one run. If a repo is stuck it doesn't block everything else. Webhook support: repos get updated immediately, not just on the next cron cycle. Visibility: There's a light-weight, built-in UI showing repos, job status, and progress. There's more on the Github repo, we added a full list of features and benefits to the readme. Of course, in the end it comes down to individual preferences :) Not saying one way is better than the other. We just felt that for us, the operator-based approach would work better and we're happy if the project is benefitial for others as well!

bryanlarsen 8mo ago
Can you step back further and explain what Renovate and its competitors like Mend actually do, and what kind of tasks people use them for?
- JanLepsky 8mo ago
  In short, Renovate (by Mend) is a dependency manager for software projects. It watches your repository for outdated libraries, packages, and frameworks and opens Pull Requests to update them.
- maverwa 8mo ago
  Mend is not a competitor, renovate is the software, mend is the company. They are tools that automatically check your repo for dependencies and create PRs when there are updates. It supports a wide range of package managers and other places dependencies may be specified. Dependabot is another solution which is more „GitHub-native“ maybe.
- esafak 8mo ago
  To help you automate dependency updates, similar to dependabot. https://www.mend.io/renovate/ https://www.mend.io/renovate/ https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/keep-all-your-packages-up-to-date-with-dependabot/ https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/keep-all-your...
- deleted 8mo ago
  [deleted]
- jamietanna 8mo ago
  See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011111 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011111 (a blog post I wrote, prior to joining Mend and working as a Renovate maintainer)