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> without having to through the effort to twist the arm of US entities every time they want to do that? Right now, it's more like US corpos are try to twist th

by pyrale 8mo ago

> without having to through the effort to twist the arm of US entities every time they want to do that? Right now, it's more like US corpos are try to twist the arm of EU governments [1][2], pushing heavy propaganda to manipulate our elections [3], allying with the US government to do so. And the US government has been threatening EU govts with invasion [4], leveraging US corpos to harm lawful individuals doing their jobs in the EU [5], and sanctioning elected officials for performing their duties [6], or threatened to [7]. Sure, there's an hypothetical risk of the EU turning sour. On the other hand, when it comes to US corpos, the risk has materialized. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly930y90lro https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly930y90lro [2]: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0589g0dqq7o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0589g0dqq7o [3]: https://www.politico.eu/article/twitter-faces-renewed-scrutiny-over-disinformation-in-europe/ https://www.politico.eu/article/twitter-faces-renewed-scruti... [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_crisis [5]: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/nicolas-guillou-french-icc-judge-sanctioned-by-the-us-you-are-effectively-blacklisted-by-much-of-the-world-s-banking-system_6747628_4.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/11/19/n... [6]: https://www.brusselstimes.com/1931733/eu-parliament-blasts-us-over-visa-ban-on-former-commissioner-breton https://www.brusselstimes.com/1931733/eu-parliament-blasts-u... [7]: https://www.politico.eu/article/us-accused-threats-eu-diplomats-bid-to-kill-green-shipping-rules-negotiations-personal-intimidation/ https://www.politico.eu/article/us-accused-threats-eu-diplom...

joe_mamba 8mo ago
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- pjc50 8mo ago
  Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013. I have some concerns about process, but not for these guys. People working for enemy intelligence services tend to get treated harshly.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
    >Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013. Is he not still a French born citizen deserving of a fair trial? Or should getting a dual citizenship of a foreign passport, of a nation that later becomes an adversary, become an automatic death sentence? US should then put all it citizens with Cuban and Iranian passports in jail with that logic. And then what about Jacques BAUD who's Swiss living in Belgium? He doesn't deserve a fair trial either? On what grounds? With what evidence? How can you justify dishing out death sentences without trial? Remember that blindly supporting the authoritarian hand waving of due process with no trial or evidence, just to easily get rid of undesirable people, can always be used against you too, if what you say becomes undesirable when politics shifts.
    - pjc50 8mo ago
      This isn't a death sentence? But they probably do deserve legal redress. And jail sentences.
      - joe_mamba 8mo ago
        >This isn't a death sentence? Being sanctioned means no bank will touch you, meaning no employer and landlord will touch you, meaning you don't get a national insurance health card to receive healthcare, and you'll be homeless and begging for food. How is taking away all of someone's means to survive NOT a death sentence?
        varjag 8mo ago
        Did anyone of them die?
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        Is unaccountable government legal overreach an issue for you only when you die by it?
- locknitpicker 8mo ago
  > Jacques BAUD and Xavier MOREAU, Swiss and French nationals respectively, were sanctioned by the EU along with a laundry list of Russian nationals, on the accusation of being russian mouthpieces (...) If this is the best example you can muster, you don't have much of a case. They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-westerners-sanctioned-by-the-eu-for-spreading-russian-propaganda https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-we... > I would get it if they only did this to russian citizens living in Russia in the current geopolitical context, (...) They are. Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.
  - joe_mamba 8mo ago
    >They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis. Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say? Or is Euro News propaganda supposed to be the only proof on which EU gets to throw people in jail without trial? Shouldn't you get a trial where you get a chance to defend yourself before being sanctioned? I swear you people are cheering for 1984 authoritarianism to buttfuck you. >Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents. As long as they are EU citizens, they deserve a fair EU trial and not just get sanctioned because EU says "trust me bro" about people they want to see disappeared.
    - locknitpicker 8mo ago
      > Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say? Are you nuts? Not only does the guy run a company dedicated exclusively to push Kremlin propaganda, he literally presents propaganda program's in Kremlin's RT. Are you living under a rock? https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-of-subcontractors-behind-russia-s-online-influence-operations_6347208_13.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-... At this point it's evident you are either playing the role of wilful ignorant, or heavily invested in being contrarian.
a-french-anon 8mo ago
Read your third link, please. The Ministry of Truth not being happy that their policy on "disinformation" isn't being applied as strongly as they wish isn't what I'd call "pushing heavy propaganda".
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  Yep. Color me shocked that the propaganda state media is unhappy with information being spread that doesn't conform to the views of the state, and so calls it propaganda or mis-/dis-information. It's totally not the "ministry of truth".
  - dontwannahearit 8mo ago
    GP means "Ministry of Truth" in the Orwellian-sense. The "Ministry of Truth" was the propaganda arm of the government just as the "Ministry of Love" is the interrogation/torture and brainwashing center.

by pyrale 8mo ago

joe_mamba 8mo ago

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pjc50 8mo ago
Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013. I have some concerns about process, but not for these guys. People working for enemy intelligence services tend to get treated harshly.
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  >Moreau is apparently a Russian citizen living in Russia since 2013. Is he not still a French born citizen deserving of a fair trial? Or should getting a dual citizenship of a foreign passport, of a nation that later becomes an adversary, become an automatic death sentence? US should then put all it citizens with Cuban and Iranian passports in jail with that logic. And then what about Jacques BAUD who's Swiss living in Belgium? He doesn't deserve a fair trial either? On what grounds? With what evidence? How can you justify dishing out death sentences without trial? Remember that blindly supporting the authoritarian hand waving of due process with no trial or evidence, just to easily get rid of undesirable people, can always be used against you too, if what you say becomes undesirable when politics shifts.
  - pjc50 8mo ago
    This isn't a death sentence? But they probably do deserve legal redress. And jail sentences.
    - joe_mamba 8mo ago
      >This isn't a death sentence? Being sanctioned means no bank will touch you, meaning no employer and landlord will touch you, meaning you don't get a national insurance health card to receive healthcare, and you'll be homeless and begging for food. How is taking away all of someone's means to survive NOT a death sentence?
      - varjag 8mo ago
        Did anyone of them die?
        joe_mamba 8mo ago
        Is unaccountable government legal overreach an issue for you only when you die by it?
locknitpicker 8mo ago
> Jacques BAUD and Xavier MOREAU, Swiss and French nationals respectively, were sanctioned by the EU along with a laundry list of Russian nationals, on the accusation of being russian mouthpieces (...) If this is the best example you can muster, you don't have much of a case. They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis. https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-westerners-sanctioned-by-the-eu-for-spreading-russian-propaganda https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/18/who-are-the-we... > I would get it if they only did this to russian citizens living in Russia in the current geopolitical context, (...) They are. Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents.
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  >They are Russian nationals pushing propaganda for a totalitarian regime which has been engaging in wars of annexation throughout Europe and whose threats of nuclear war against Europe are pushed on almost on a daily basis. Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say? Or is Euro News propaganda supposed to be the only proof on which EU gets to throw people in jail without trial? Shouldn't you get a trial where you get a chance to defend yourself before being sanctioned? I swear you people are cheering for 1984 authoritarianism to buttfuck you. >Nevertheless, it's stupid to even consider the idea that only foreign nationals can be foreign agents. As long as they are EU citizens, they deserve a fair EU trial and not just get sanctioned because EU says "trust me bro" about people they want to see disappeared.
  - locknitpicker 8mo ago
    > Where's the proof beyond reasonable doubt resulting from a trial, that those European citizens have done the things you say? Are you nuts? Not only does the guy run a company dedicated exclusively to push Kremlin propaganda, he literally presents propaganda program's in Kremlin's RT. Are you living under a rock? https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-of-subcontractors-behind-russia-s-online-influence-operations_6347208_13.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/pixels/article/2023/12/15/the-web-... At this point it's evident you are either playing the role of wilful ignorant, or heavily invested in being contrarian.

a-french-anon 8mo ago

Read your third link, please. The Ministry of Truth not being happy that their policy on "disinformation" isn't being applied as strongly as they wish isn't what I'd call "pushing heavy propaganda".

joe_mamba 8mo ago
Yep. Color me shocked that the propaganda state media is unhappy with information being spread that doesn't conform to the views of the state, and so calls it propaganda or mis-/dis-information. It's totally not the "ministry of truth".
- dontwannahearit 8mo ago
  GP means "Ministry of Truth" in the Orwellian-sense. The "Ministry of Truth" was the propaganda arm of the government just as the "Ministry of Love" is the interrogation/torture and brainwashing center.