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for 'rolling stable' openSuse is also worth mentioning

by htx80nerd 8mo ago

pdimitar 8mo ago
Does it come with the latest Linux kernel?
- tmtvl 8mo ago
  Depends whether you go with Tumbleweed, Slowroll, or Leap. I believe the Kernel Of The Day repository is only available for Tumbleweed. By 'latest' kernel you did mean bleeding edge nightly builds, right?
  - pdimitar 8mo ago
    No, I mean latest non-RC kernel (currently 6.18). I want to have VMs that are kind of like Arch but a little bit more stable, yet have very latest versions of everything I need with minimal risk (no need for the bleeding edge at all times; Manjaro does this semi-okay with its two weeks grace period).
    - skydhash 8mo ago
      Latest also means latest bugs. So unless you’re waiting for some drivers for your hardware, I’m not sure that it’s really needed for general usage.
      - pdimitar 8mo ago
        I don't need 100% of all software. Just a tiny fraction and they're modern tools that are heavily iterated on. Is it possible they have bugs? Very much so! But "stay on an older version to be safe" is not the panacea many try to pretend that it is. Way too many bugs and security vulnerabilities on old versions as well.
        skydhash 8mo ago
        If you’re on debian, there’s the backports repository, And stable means stable in terms of feature. They still patches for bugs and security, and quite fast for the latter.
    - tmtvl 8mo ago
      OpenSUSE has the whole OpenQA thing (<https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests>), although I think bugs may occasionally slip through the cracks. I tend to bounce back and forth between Arch and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (currently on Tumbleweed because I wanted SELinux and setting it up on Arch is a bit more involved than I like), and aside from the KDE 4 to Plasma 5 transition I haven't had any major issues with either one (though I suppose if I had, booting from and restoring a snapshot on Tumbleweed would have be easier than on Arch because Arch overwrites the kernel while Tumbleweed keeps up to... I think 5 versions).
init2null 8mo ago
Just bear in mind that the OSS nvidia kernel module often causes breakages there with mismatched firmware. The entirely proprietary module or nv are fine. Tumbleweed is good for a mostly stable, clean KDE distro, but I wouldn't recommend it for gaming or codec integration. The first-class btrfs snapshots are probably my favorite feature.

for 'rolling stable' openSuse is also worth mentioning

pdimitar 8mo ago

Does it come with the latest Linux kernel?

tmtvl 8mo ago
Depends whether you go with Tumbleweed, Slowroll, or Leap. I believe the Kernel Of The Day repository is only available for Tumbleweed. By 'latest' kernel you did mean bleeding edge nightly builds, right?
- pdimitar 8mo ago
  No, I mean latest non-RC kernel (currently 6.18). I want to have VMs that are kind of like Arch but a little bit more stable, yet have very latest versions of everything I need with minimal risk (no need for the bleeding edge at all times; Manjaro does this semi-okay with its two weeks grace period).
  - skydhash 8mo ago
    Latest also means latest bugs. So unless you’re waiting for some drivers for your hardware, I’m not sure that it’s really needed for general usage.
    - pdimitar 8mo ago
      I don't need 100% of all software. Just a tiny fraction and they're modern tools that are heavily iterated on. Is it possible they have bugs? Very much so! But "stay on an older version to be safe" is not the panacea many try to pretend that it is. Way too many bugs and security vulnerabilities on old versions as well.
      - skydhash 8mo ago
        If you’re on debian, there’s the backports repository, And stable means stable in terms of feature. They still patches for bugs and security, and quite fast for the latter.
  - tmtvl 8mo ago
    OpenSUSE has the whole OpenQA thing (<https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests>), although I think bugs may occasionally slip through the cracks. I tend to bounce back and forth between Arch and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (currently on Tumbleweed because I wanted SELinux and setting it up on Arch is a bit more involved than I like), and aside from the KDE 4 to Plasma 5 transition I haven't had any major issues with either one (though I suppose if I had, booting from and restoring a snapshot on Tumbleweed would have be easier than on Arch because Arch overwrites the kernel while Tumbleweed keeps up to... I think 5 versions).

init2null 8mo ago

Just bear in mind that the OSS nvidia kernel module often causes breakages there with mismatched firmware. The entirely proprietary module or nv are fine. Tumbleweed is good for a mostly stable, clean KDE distro, but I wouldn't recommend it for gaming or codec integration. The first-class btrfs snapshots are probably my favorite feature.