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No comment on the hosting end of things, however, I switched to Ubuntu on my PC a couple of weekends ago and I still have not adjusted to the peace and quiet of

No comment on the hosting end of things, however, I switched to Ubuntu on my PC a couple of weekends ago and I still have not adjusted to the peace and quiet of not getting 87 meaningless windows notifications every time I boot up.

robby_w_g 8mo ago
No more updates in the middle of a multi-player game with friends. How will I ever live without Windows?
PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
After you get frustreted having to use the terminal to make Ubuntu work, try Fedora. Ubuntu is outdated linux, it part of Debian-family, which goes by the misleading name 'stable'. Its not stable like a table. Its stable like software versions are frozen, despite bugs being fixed. Fedora isnt Arch, I think most Debian-family users don't realize they are unrelated. Fedora is just well maintained and generally up to date.
- scrollop 8mo ago
  I tried using Linux 5 years ago - too difficult to learn terminal commands to configfure everythiong. Tried again a few months ago and it's a breeze with an llm creating all the commands and code and troubleshooting. eg vibe coded a text transcriber similar to windows Voice Typing.
- simion314 8mo ago
  Right, cause latest packages bring only latest features and bug fixes and never bring new bugs, do you ever wonder how those bugs that the latest packages fix get in ? I recommend for people that want things to not change and not get new bugs every update to use an LTS distro like Kubuntu and only get latest kernels or drivers from a PPA or upstream if you really have to. I am not running the latest KDE stuff and I feel fine, I am not suffering in pain for some cool new feature in Plasma and some new bug, I am comfortable with the existing features and existing bugs.
  - beart 8mo ago
    I've tried debian variants many times over the years. However, my actual experience has been one of struggles with outdated software, knowing that the fix I need is just out of reach. Trying to pull in some of these fixes from a PPA often leads to a dependency mess. I'm sure I could deal with it better if I took the time, but I just want to do the thing I want to do. The other "reason" to use Debian is the supposed large user base and community support. But I've found more often than not that many of the solutions to my problems are outdated or don't work for whatever reason. Ironically, my best experience so far in that regard is an arch variant (CachyOS). That said, people shouldn't be afraid of experimenting to find the best software for their purposes, and something like Linux Mint is still a great option to recommend to people who are new to Linux.
    - simion314 8mo ago
      OK, but stop with bullshit that you get more stability because of new packages, you get latest features you read about or watched in some video but you also get the latest bugs, and to get fixes for this latest bugs you will upgrade again in a few months and you get the latest fixes and some new bugs. There are some valid usecases to use rolling or some bleeding edge distro, like if you want to contribute to KDE or similar project you would want to track latests library versions, but for doing say a web dev job and soem enterteminent an LTS distro works better, you do not upgrade and you have the surprise that GNOME removed yet some new feature you were using, or soem stuff in Plasma broke and now you get a ton of notifications about something not working, or maybe you did not read the Arch forums before upgrading and you had cool package Y that conflicts with cool package Z and now your system is unbootable and you need to fix it instead of doing your actual work. (Arch fans should first Google Arch upgrade briked my system before commenting that this never happened to them). Btw I used Arch in the past too when I had more free time and loved thinkering with my system.
- jszymborski 8mo ago
  I started using Linux desktops around 2012, and always used Debian-based distros (Mostly Debian, Ubunutu, and Mint). I switched to Fedora this year, and I've been super pleasantly surprised. There are some sharp edges (Mostly due to Wayland and Flatpaks), but I don't think I'll be going back to Debian any time soon. Things seem way more stable than on Ubuntu.
  - SunshineTheCat 8mo ago
    That's really interesting. A problem I've been having with Ubuntu is just quirky things with bluetooth devices and a monitor that doesn't always get recognized when waking the pc up from sleep. In your experience, does Fedora handle these better than Ubuntu?
    - soperj 8mo ago
      I've been using Fedora since 2011, haven't had any monitor or bluetooth issues. Originally had a wifi issue when I first got a Ryzen computer, but it was solved fairly easily and haven't had an issue since. The upgrade from 42 to 43 borked my local postgres, but it seems that they understand what their mistake was there. edit: I use it on a thinkpad, ymmv
    - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
      This is literally why we suggest Fedora. Bluetooth sucks on Debian-family because the kernel is from 2024... Fedora's kernel is from 3 months ago. Anyway, enjoy Fedora. Fedora is so good, I won't call it Linux.
      - shellwizard 8mo ago
        There's always been backports in Debian if you needed more recent software than what is available on the stable branch
        PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
        So you have to use terminal and have some unsupported software.... Yeah I'll take Fedora. Debian is great for servers, why are you using it for desktop?
- htx80nerd 8mo ago
  for 'rolling stable' openSuse is also worth mentioning
  - pdimitar 8mo ago
    Does it come with the latest Linux kernel?
    - tmtvl 8mo ago
      Depends whether you go with Tumbleweed, Slowroll, or Leap. I believe the Kernel Of The Day repository is only available for Tumbleweed. By 'latest' kernel you did mean bleeding edge nightly builds, right?
      - pdimitar 8mo ago
        No, I mean latest non-RC kernel (currently 6.18). I want to have VMs that are kind of like Arch but a little bit more stable, yet have very latest versions of everything I need with minimal risk (no need for the bleeding edge at all times; Manjaro does this semi-okay with its two weeks grace period).
        skydhash 8mo ago
        Latest also means latest bugs. So unless you’re waiting for some drivers for your hardware, I’m not sure that it’s really needed for general usage.
        pdimitar 8mo ago
        I don't need 100% of all software. Just a tiny fraction and they're modern tools that are heavily iterated on. Is it possible they have bugs? Very much so! But "stay on an older version to be safe" is not the panacea many try to pretend that it is. Way too many bugs and security vulnerabilities on old versions as well.
        8mo ago
- coffeebeqn 8mo ago
  There are certainly a lot of great options. I tried Fedora, Mint and Cachy recently and for my machine and use cases it had the most issues. Mint and cachy basically work perfectly out of the box
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xboxnolifes 8mo ago
I'm not exactly a windows lover, but what are you people doing to your windows installs to get so many notifications? I get nothing at boot and the only notifications I get are from when windows defender blocks something and I need to add an exclusion.
- doubled112 8mo ago
  Notifications? I wish. Mine keeps shoving full screen backup reminders in my face. Skip for now. Maybe later. Not right now. It’s a work machine, but not on a domain, and I don’t use an MS account.
  - SunshineTheCat 8mo ago
    One time I had the misfortune of installing the free version of Driver Booster. After that I think I spent the following 15 minutes closing ads and uninstalling all the bloated apps it installed alongside it. I actually thought it was a virus until I discovered people actually pay money for it.
    - doubled112 8mo ago
      That was really common back in the day. AdAware and SpyBot Seek and Destroy came around just to remove the junk that was bundled with other software we forgot to uncheck. You didn’t always want 32 browser toolbars you never asked for. It was never part of the OS until these last few years.
- Crestwave 8mo ago
  What edition are you using? The home edition straight-up has pop-up ads[1] for random Xbox games, even on a clean install with all notification settings turned off. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/1j77ro8/windows_ads_in_system_notifications_the_final/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/1j77ro8/window...
  - xboxnolifes 8mo ago
snarfy 8mo ago
Sign in to use Notepad, with Copilot! It was all over when it changed from "My Computer" to "This PC". I'm fighting linux gpu drivers crashing and I honestly don't care. It's actually still a better experience.
estimator7292 8mo ago
I wound up in a video call yesterday with someone on a vanilla windows 11 machine. There were no fewer than three rainbow colored AI assistant buttons visible at all times. Two kept moving to random locations on the screen. I've never been more thankful for linux.
godelski 8mo ago
Luckily on linux you an bring that back! First, install `misfortune`. Then write this small script that starts after the bash screen for i in {1..80} do notify-send "Winblows" "$(misfortune") done If you want the real rage experience add the `-w` flag

robby_w_g 8mo ago

No more updates in the middle of a multi-player game with friends. How will I ever live without Windows?

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago

After you get frustreted having to use the terminal to make Ubuntu work, try Fedora. Ubuntu is outdated linux, it part of Debian-family, which goes by the misleading name 'stable'. Its not stable like a table. Its stable like software versions are frozen, despite bugs being fixed. Fedora isnt Arch, I think most Debian-family users don't realize they are unrelated. Fedora is just well maintained and generally up to date.

scrollop 8mo ago
I tried using Linux 5 years ago - too difficult to learn terminal commands to configfure everythiong. Tried again a few months ago and it's a breeze with an llm creating all the commands and code and troubleshooting. eg vibe coded a text transcriber similar to windows Voice Typing.
simion314 8mo ago
Right, cause latest packages bring only latest features and bug fixes and never bring new bugs, do you ever wonder how those bugs that the latest packages fix get in ? I recommend for people that want things to not change and not get new bugs every update to use an LTS distro like Kubuntu and only get latest kernels or drivers from a PPA or upstream if you really have to. I am not running the latest KDE stuff and I feel fine, I am not suffering in pain for some cool new feature in Plasma and some new bug, I am comfortable with the existing features and existing bugs.
- beart 8mo ago
  I've tried debian variants many times over the years. However, my actual experience has been one of struggles with outdated software, knowing that the fix I need is just out of reach. Trying to pull in some of these fixes from a PPA often leads to a dependency mess. I'm sure I could deal with it better if I took the time, but I just want to do the thing I want to do. The other "reason" to use Debian is the supposed large user base and community support. But I've found more often than not that many of the solutions to my problems are outdated or don't work for whatever reason. Ironically, my best experience so far in that regard is an arch variant (CachyOS). That said, people shouldn't be afraid of experimenting to find the best software for their purposes, and something like Linux Mint is still a great option to recommend to people who are new to Linux.
  - simion314 8mo ago
    OK, but stop with bullshit that you get more stability because of new packages, you get latest features you read about or watched in some video but you also get the latest bugs, and to get fixes for this latest bugs you will upgrade again in a few months and you get the latest fixes and some new bugs. There are some valid usecases to use rolling or some bleeding edge distro, like if you want to contribute to KDE or similar project you would want to track latests library versions, but for doing say a web dev job and soem enterteminent an LTS distro works better, you do not upgrade and you have the surprise that GNOME removed yet some new feature you were using, or soem stuff in Plasma broke and now you get a ton of notifications about something not working, or maybe you did not read the Arch forums before upgrading and you had cool package Y that conflicts with cool package Z and now your system is unbootable and you need to fix it instead of doing your actual work. (Arch fans should first Google Arch upgrade briked my system before commenting that this never happened to them). Btw I used Arch in the past too when I had more free time and loved thinkering with my system.
jszymborski 8mo ago
I started using Linux desktops around 2012, and always used Debian-based distros (Mostly Debian, Ubunutu, and Mint). I switched to Fedora this year, and I've been super pleasantly surprised. There are some sharp edges (Mostly due to Wayland and Flatpaks), but I don't think I'll be going back to Debian any time soon. Things seem way more stable than on Ubuntu.
- SunshineTheCat 8mo ago
  That's really interesting. A problem I've been having with Ubuntu is just quirky things with bluetooth devices and a monitor that doesn't always get recognized when waking the pc up from sleep. In your experience, does Fedora handle these better than Ubuntu?
  - soperj 8mo ago
    I've been using Fedora since 2011, haven't had any monitor or bluetooth issues. Originally had a wifi issue when I first got a Ryzen computer, but it was solved fairly easily and haven't had an issue since. The upgrade from 42 to 43 borked my local postgres, but it seems that they understand what their mistake was there. edit: I use it on a thinkpad, ymmv
  - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
    This is literally why we suggest Fedora. Bluetooth sucks on Debian-family because the kernel is from 2024... Fedora's kernel is from 3 months ago. Anyway, enjoy Fedora. Fedora is so good, I won't call it Linux.
    - shellwizard 8mo ago
      There's always been backports in Debian if you needed more recent software than what is available on the stable branch
      - PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
        So you have to use terminal and have some unsupported software.... Yeah I'll take Fedora. Debian is great for servers, why are you using it for desktop?
htx80nerd 8mo ago
for 'rolling stable' openSuse is also worth mentioning
- pdimitar 8mo ago
  Does it come with the latest Linux kernel?
  - tmtvl 8mo ago
    Depends whether you go with Tumbleweed, Slowroll, or Leap. I believe the Kernel Of The Day repository is only available for Tumbleweed. By 'latest' kernel you did mean bleeding edge nightly builds, right?
    - pdimitar 8mo ago
      No, I mean latest non-RC kernel (currently 6.18). I want to have VMs that are kind of like Arch but a little bit more stable, yet have very latest versions of everything I need with minimal risk (no need for the bleeding edge at all times; Manjaro does this semi-okay with its two weeks grace period).
      - skydhash 8mo ago
        Latest also means latest bugs. So unless you’re waiting for some drivers for your hardware, I’m not sure that it’s really needed for general usage.
        pdimitar 8mo ago
        I don't need 100% of all software. Just a tiny fraction and they're modern tools that are heavily iterated on. Is it possible they have bugs? Very much so! But "stay on an older version to be safe" is not the panacea many try to pretend that it is. Way too many bugs and security vulnerabilities on old versions as well.
        8mo ago
coffeebeqn 8mo ago
There are certainly a lot of great options. I tried Fedora, Mint and Cachy recently and for my machine and use cases it had the most issues. Mint and cachy basically work perfectly out of the box

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xboxnolifes 8mo ago

I'm not exactly a windows lover, but what are you people doing to your windows installs to get so many notifications? I get nothing at boot and the only notifications I get are from when windows defender blocks something and I need to add an exclusion.

doubled112 8mo ago
Notifications? I wish. Mine keeps shoving full screen backup reminders in my face. Skip for now. Maybe later. Not right now. It’s a work machine, but not on a domain, and I don’t use an MS account.
- SunshineTheCat 8mo ago
  One time I had the misfortune of installing the free version of Driver Booster. After that I think I spent the following 15 minutes closing ads and uninstalling all the bloated apps it installed alongside it. I actually thought it was a virus until I discovered people actually pay money for it.
  - doubled112 8mo ago
    That was really common back in the day. AdAware and SpyBot Seek and Destroy came around just to remove the junk that was bundled with other software we forgot to uncheck. You didn’t always want 32 browser toolbars you never asked for. It was never part of the OS until these last few years.
Crestwave 8mo ago
What edition are you using? The home edition straight-up has pop-up ads[1] for random Xbox games, even on a clean install with all notification settings turned off. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/1j77ro8/windows_ads_in_system_notifications_the_final/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsHelp/comments/1j77ro8/window...
- xboxnolifes 8mo ago

snarfy 8mo ago

Sign in to use Notepad, with Copilot! It was all over when it changed from "My Computer" to "This PC". I'm fighting linux gpu drivers crashing and I honestly don't care. It's actually still a better experience.

estimator7292 8mo ago

I wound up in a video call yesterday with someone on a vanilla windows 11 machine. There were no fewer than three rainbow colored AI assistant buttons visible at all times. Two kept moving to random locations on the screen. I've never been more thankful for linux.

godelski 8mo ago

Luckily on linux you an bring that back! First, install `misfortune`. Then write this small script that starts after the bash screen for i in {1..80} do notify-send "Winblows" "$(misfortune") done If you want the real rage experience add the `-w` flag