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According to the ACLU, they are not [1]. So Google voluntarily handed over user information. It requires a court order to enforce it and that requires a judge t

by jmyeet 9mo ago

According to the ACLU, they are not [1]. So Google voluntarily handed over user information. It requires a court order to enforce it and that requires a judge to sign off on it. This is somewhat analogous to ICE's use of administrative warrants, which really have no legal standing. They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. You need a judicial warrant for that. That too requires a judge to sign off on it. [1]: https://www.aclu.org/documents/know-your-rights-ice-administrative-subpoenas https://www.aclu.org/documents/know-your-rights-ice-administ...

ceejayoz 9mo ago
> They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. I'd just note that ICE is (falsely) claiming otherwise these days. https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-... "Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches."
- linkregister 9mo ago
  Indeed, law enforcement officers frequently lie about laws in order to accomplish their goals. This erodes public trust in law enforcement. As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions.
  - warkdarrior 9mo ago
    The government (=Stephen Miller) said ICE agents have "federal immunity," so good luck with applying "externalities resulting from their actions."
  - sneak 9mo ago
    > As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions. That’s the most oblique way of writing “lock and load” that I’ve ever seen.
    - linkregister 9mo ago
      It's a recommendation for us to lobby Congress to make an amendment to US Code. It would add a requirement for mandatory disciplinary action for agents in the government who breach public trust, with a series of specific elements to ensure a narrow application of the policy. It's delightfully surprising to see text interpreted in different ways. It would not have occurred to me to have considered your understanding.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      You may not advocate violence on HN. That's why the other guy spoke of the "three" boxes of liberty.
    - ceejayoz 9mo ago
      That’s one interpretation. The same could describe “abolish qualified immunity and make law enforcement carry insurance like doctors. Too much malpractice? Insurance goes up.
- FireBeyond 9mo ago
  And ICE/DHS leadership is openly issuing memos advising agents to ignore Federal Court rulings. It's so fucked up.
legitster 9mo ago
This is more aimed at individuals or smaller actors that may be getting subpoenas from ICE. There is actually a legal standing for DHS to issue these administrative warrants on corporations in this way.
Curiositiy 9mo ago
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by jmyeet 9mo ago

ceejayoz 9mo ago

> They certainly don't allow ICE to enter a private abode. I'd just note that ICE is (falsely) claiming otherwise these days. https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-trump-00d0ab0338e82341fd91b160758aeb2d https://apnews.com/article/ice-arrests-warrants-minneapolis-... "Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches."

linkregister 9mo ago
Indeed, law enforcement officers frequently lie about laws in order to accomplish their goals. This erodes public trust in law enforcement. As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions.
- warkdarrior 9mo ago
  The government (=Stephen Miller) said ICE agents have "federal immunity," so good luck with applying "externalities resulting from their actions."
- sneak 9mo ago
  > As a society we should structure incentives such that agents of the government should be exposed to the externalities resulting from their actions. That’s the most oblique way of writing “lock and load” that I’ve ever seen.
  - linkregister 9mo ago
    It's a recommendation for us to lobby Congress to make an amendment to US Code. It would add a requirement for mandatory disciplinary action for agents in the government who breach public trust, with a series of specific elements to ensure a narrow application of the policy. It's delightfully surprising to see text interpreted in different ways. It would not have occurred to me to have considered your understanding.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    You may not advocate violence on HN. That's why the other guy spoke of the "three" boxes of liberty.
  - ceejayoz 9mo ago
    That’s one interpretation. The same could describe “abolish qualified immunity and make law enforcement carry insurance like doctors. Too much malpractice? Insurance goes up.
FireBeyond 9mo ago
And ICE/DHS leadership is openly issuing memos advising agents to ignore Federal Court rulings. It's so fucked up.

legitster 9mo ago

This is more aimed at individuals or smaller actors that may be getting subpoenas from ICE. There is actually a legal standing for DHS to issue these administrative warrants on corporations in this way.

Curiositiy 9mo ago

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