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> I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, an

by esseph 9mo ago

> I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.

morshu9001 9mo ago
You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.
- eikenberry 9mo ago
  Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.
  - morshu9001 9mo ago
    Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      Flatpak is available on every distro.
    - eikenberry 9mo ago
      If you want to base it on popularity then you should use Debian. Debian and its child distros (of which Ubuntu is one) make up the majority of Linux distros and the child distros are still 99% Debian.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      Ehhhh Professionally I've only ran into a handful of Ubuntu installs. Dozens of SUSE Hundreds of thousands of RHEL. So if I wanted to help someone new, I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because it would be somewhat of a dead end. Fedora gives you familiarity with the largest deployed commercial Linux, while still getting the newest packages out there through either fedora yum or flatpak. Best of both worlds.
- esseph 9mo ago
  Snap is Ubuntu and derivatives only which is a respectable but smaller segment of the options. It's also a fucking system daemon that runs in the background. Avoid. Flatpak is available on every distro.
  - morshu9001 9mo ago
    Look I have no love for snap in particular, but it exists as a default in serious places. If you can bury it then great, the less confusion the better. I'm not going to install some alt distro just to avoid it though. Send Xorg to a nice farm too. Or Wayland. Whichever the bad one is. Competing window servers is a way bigger problem.

by esseph 9mo ago

> I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.

morshu9001 9mo ago

You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.

eikenberry 9mo ago
Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    Flatpak is available on every distro.
  - eikenberry 9mo ago
    If you want to base it on popularity then you should use Debian. Debian and its child distros (of which Ubuntu is one) make up the majority of Linux distros and the child distros are still 99% Debian.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    Ehhhh Professionally I've only ran into a handful of Ubuntu installs. Dozens of SUSE Hundreds of thousands of RHEL. So if I wanted to help someone new, I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because it would be somewhat of a dead end. Fedora gives you familiarity with the largest deployed commercial Linux, while still getting the newest packages out there through either fedora yum or flatpak. Best of both worlds.
esseph 9mo ago
Snap is Ubuntu and derivatives only which is a respectable but smaller segment of the options. It's also a fucking system daemon that runs in the background. Avoid. Flatpak is available on every distro.
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  Look I have no love for snap in particular, but it exists as a default in serious places. If you can bury it then great, the less confusion the better. I'm not going to install some alt distro just to avoid it though. Send Xorg to a nice farm too. Or Wayland. Whichever the bad one is. Competing window servers is a way bigger problem.