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Pretty much. He said some mean words. The cult of personality around the other maintainer has spun it into something way worse that he someone made other people

by jajuuka 8mo ago

Pretty much. He said some mean words. The cult of personality around the other maintainer has spun it into something way worse that he someone made other people quit OSS or something. It's hog wash and not backed up by anything.

Forgeties79 8mo ago
>He said some mean words. I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
- jajuuka 8mo ago
  1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. 2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? 3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred? 4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be friends with everyone. So you have to develop some basic emotional regulation for silly insults.
  - squigz 8mo ago
    > 1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. Alternatively, other people just have more respect for themselves (and others) than to stand to repeatedly be called an idiot.
    - jajuuka 8mo ago
      Why? What's the point of getting upset over any minor slight? Seems more disrespectful to yourself to waste time thinking about it. Why not laugh at the silly insults from people who don't know you and move on?
  - Forgeties79 8mo ago
    > Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? If you were involved with bazzite that was not necessarily an option. Hence why some people just elected to leave the project entirely, which is unfortunate to see because I’m sure some talented, contributing people are no longer making the project better. Honestly I’m surprised that I need to explain the need for people to treat each other with basic decency and respect. Have you really never faced harassment that you couldn’t get away from without either leaving, their leaving, or external intervention? Would you have the same laissez-faire attitude if I was harassing your partner or children? Would you simply tell them to not care about “mean words”? Should a coworker just be allowed to endlessly call you slurs at work? Back to your questions: What hypothetical did I make up? Confused by that question and your first one. Those weren’t my examples (I gave none). It’s one thing to deal with rude people online. It’s another when it’s when you’re at work, doing a hobby, or contributing your time and energy to an open source project. People shouldn’t be abused in general, however. Yes it is good to have thick skin but it doesn’t change the fact that if somebody behaves like that, they are ultimately in the wrong. I don’t know if he behaved as poorly as the bazzite team is claiming, but I’m not really here to litigate that. I just don’t love the idea of saying “just ignore mean words.” it’s flippant, unproductive, and downplays the power of words.
    - jajuuka 8mo ago
      Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. What are you talking about? Of course you should treat everybody well. But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. Of course I've been harassed before. But that's not related to this at all. We're talking about Bazzite where someone got called an idiot once. You're really reaching now. If you were harassing my partner or children this would be an entirely different conversation. Again, that's not relevant at all. You're just reaching for anything to make this emotional plea. Also slurs? Come on now. We're literally talking about someone getting called an "idiot". Not a slur. Stop stretching the truth. Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave". Nobody was abused here. Good lord. So THAT'S what set you off. So "just ignore mean words" does mean "let everyone call you slurs all day". It's means what it literally says. Mean words. Mean words are "idiot", "stupid", etc. They are silly and childish insults. They are not harmful words. They are not slurs. They are not harassment. Do you understand what I said now? Because I think your invention of scenarios that didn't happen here is extremely unproductive and is derailing the conversation. Instead of using slogans and extremes, ask questions next time. Can really save you and others some effort.

by jajuuka 8mo ago

Forgeties79 8mo ago

>He said some mean words. I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.

jajuuka 8mo ago
1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. 2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? 3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred? 4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be friends with everyone. So you have to develop some basic emotional regulation for silly insults.
- squigz 8mo ago
  > 1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. Alternatively, other people just have more respect for themselves (and others) than to stand to repeatedly be called an idiot.
  - jajuuka 8mo ago
    Why? What's the point of getting upset over any minor slight? Seems more disrespectful to yourself to waste time thinking about it. Why not laugh at the silly insults from people who don't know you and move on?
- Forgeties79 8mo ago
  > Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? If you were involved with bazzite that was not necessarily an option. Hence why some people just elected to leave the project entirely, which is unfortunate to see because I’m sure some talented, contributing people are no longer making the project better. Honestly I’m surprised that I need to explain the need for people to treat each other with basic decency and respect. Have you really never faced harassment that you couldn’t get away from without either leaving, their leaving, or external intervention? Would you have the same laissez-faire attitude if I was harassing your partner or children? Would you simply tell them to not care about “mean words”? Should a coworker just be allowed to endlessly call you slurs at work? Back to your questions: What hypothetical did I make up? Confused by that question and your first one. Those weren’t my examples (I gave none). It’s one thing to deal with rude people online. It’s another when it’s when you’re at work, doing a hobby, or contributing your time and energy to an open source project. People shouldn’t be abused in general, however. Yes it is good to have thick skin but it doesn’t change the fact that if somebody behaves like that, they are ultimately in the wrong. I don’t know if he behaved as poorly as the bazzite team is claiming, but I’m not really here to litigate that. I just don’t love the idea of saying “just ignore mean words.” it’s flippant, unproductive, and downplays the power of words.
  - jajuuka 8mo ago
    Getting into one fight and just leaving over it is pretty foolish. What are you talking about? Of course you should treat everybody well. But that doesn't mean everyone will treat you well. Of course I've been harassed before. But that's not related to this at all. We're talking about Bazzite where someone got called an idiot once. You're really reaching now. If you were harassing my partner or children this would be an entirely different conversation. Again, that's not relevant at all. You're just reaching for anything to make this emotional plea. Also slurs? Come on now. We're literally talking about someone getting called an "idiot". Not a slur. Stop stretching the truth. Your hypothetical was "If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave". Nobody was abused here. Good lord. So THAT'S what set you off. So "just ignore mean words" does mean "let everyone call you slurs all day". It's means what it literally says. Mean words. Mean words are "idiot", "stupid", etc. They are silly and childish insults. They are not harmful words. They are not slurs. They are not harassment. Do you understand what I said now? Because I think your invention of scenarios that didn't happen here is extremely unproductive and is derailing the conversation. Instead of using slogans and extremes, ask questions next time. Can really save you and others some effort.