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> Also there like 20 competing ways to install packages now. Used to just be apt This is very incorrect. There's been far more for 35+ years * apt/.deb * yum

by esseph 9mo ago

> Also there like 20 competing ways to install packages now. Used to just be apt This is very incorrect. There's been far more for 35+ years * apt/.deb * yum(dnf)/.rpm * Tarballs * Ports trees * Flatpak * Snap * Etc, etc, etc

morshu9001 9mo ago
Flatpak and Snap are new to me, and that's the annoyance. Like I get if there's some technical advantage to a snap, but apt can install snaps too. Also idk what .appimage is. rpm was a thing that existed but wasn't a Mint way of installing. Tar, yes. I can see why you'd consider a tar a package, but I was thinking of things actually designed for packages, and tar isn't really an extra thing to learn and deal with. Port tree, idk never heard of that.
- esseph 9mo ago
  > Flatpak and Snap are new to me and that's the annoyance. These were designed to solve different problems. PS - Just avoid snap. Fuck snap. All my homies hate snap. Flatpak otoh is software basically delivered in a container with some security restrictions. It works great, but you may want a GUI problem called "flatseal" to enable access to certain parts of the host filesystem, device access, etc depending on specifics of what the particular application is supposed to do. That's a bit of a security boundary (good). Flatpak does solve several big issues with the minor and only occasional need to use flatseal to enable access to say something in /proc /dev etc Snap happened in 2014 Flatpak in 2015 So you've got about 10 years of catch-up ;)
  - morshu9001 9mo ago
    I'm not really obligated to catch up on that. I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out, until then Mac is a fine dev/personal machine.
    - esseph 9mo ago
      > I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.
      - morshu9001 9mo ago
        You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.
        eikenberry 9mo ago
        Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.
        morshu9001 9mo ago
        Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.
        esseph 9mo ago
        Flatpak is available on every distro.
        eikenberry 9mo ago
        If you want to base it on popularity then you should use Debian. Debian and its child distros (of which Ubuntu is one) make up the majority of Linux distros and the child distros are still 99% Debian.
        esseph 9mo ago
        Ehhhh Professionally I've only ran into a handful of Ubuntu installs. Dozens of SUSE Hundreds of thousands of RHEL. So if I wanted to help someone new, I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because it would be somewhat of a dead end. Fedora gives you familiarity with the largest deployed commercial Linux, while still getting the newest packages out there through either fedora yum or flatpak. Best of both worlds.

by esseph 9mo ago

morshu9001 9mo ago

Flatpak and Snap are new to me, and that's the annoyance. Like I get if there's some technical advantage to a snap, but apt can install snaps too. Also idk what .appimage is. rpm was a thing that existed but wasn't a Mint way of installing. Tar, yes. I can see why you'd consider a tar a package, but I was thinking of things actually designed for packages, and tar isn't really an extra thing to learn and deal with. Port tree, idk never heard of that.

esseph 9mo ago
> Flatpak and Snap are new to me and that's the annoyance. These were designed to solve different problems. PS - Just avoid snap. Fuck snap. All my homies hate snap. Flatpak otoh is software basically delivered in a container with some security restrictions. It works great, but you may want a GUI problem called "flatseal" to enable access to certain parts of the host filesystem, device access, etc depending on specifics of what the particular application is supposed to do. That's a bit of a security boundary (good). Flatpak does solve several big issues with the minor and only occasional need to use flatseal to enable access to say something in /proc /dev etc Snap happened in 2014 Flatpak in 2015 So you've got about 10 years of catch-up ;)
- morshu9001 9mo ago
  I'm not really obligated to catch up on that. I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out, until then Mac is a fine dev/personal machine.
  - esseph 9mo ago
    > I'll try Linux again if they ever sort these things out You don't understand. This won't be "sorted out", this is a feature. Maybe it's just not for you, and that's ok.
    - morshu9001 9mo ago
      You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.
      - eikenberry 9mo ago
        Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.
        morshu9001 9mo ago
        Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.
        esseph 9mo ago
        Flatpak is available on every distro.
        eikenberry 9mo ago
        If you want to base it on popularity then you should use Debian. Debian and its child distros (of which Ubuntu is one) make up the majority of Linux distros and the child distros are still 99% Debian.
        esseph 9mo ago
        Ehhhh Professionally I've only ran into a handful of Ubuntu installs. Dozens of SUSE Hundreds of thousands of RHEL. So if I wanted to help someone new, I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because it would be somewhat of a dead end. Fedora gives you familiarity with the largest deployed commercial Linux, while still getting the newest packages out there through either fedora yum or flatpak. Best of both worlds.