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Why can't some of these trillion dollar companies invest back in the quantum tech that got them there, if it's so certain there will be benefits? Why not Apple

Why can't some of these trillion dollar companies invest back in the quantum tech that got them there, if it's so certain there will be benefits? Why not Apple and Nvidia fund the next particle collider, and give something back to society instead of letting tax payers fund it so billionaires can privatize the profits?

davrosthedalek 9mo ago
Do you want the results of the research be open and available to all, or should it become IP of nvidia or apple?
- gosub100 9mo ago
  Why wouldn't it be open to all? The person I replied to just said how great it is for open information to trickle down to everyone.
  - davrosthedalek 9mo ago
    Why would nvidia/apple/whoever open up research they paid for to help anybody but them?
boringg 9mo ago
I think your starting premise is obviously false and where are you getting that billionaires are privatizing the profits from the particle collider (sounds like a talking point). No one can guarantee that there are benefits - we can surmise that there are but there are still massive risks associated with large form science experiments. Government has always been the backbone of basic science research - no one else can reasonably bear the risk and the advances are public domain.
sigmoid10 9mo ago
Fundamental physics research has an extremely profitable returns ratio, but it takes decades to amortize. This does not work with capitalist corporations who only care about immediate profits. Even for governments this is a difficult sell, but at least they don't have to soothe shareholders every quarter. Generational projects take a different kind of economic thinking.
- butlike 9mo ago
  Is that just because there's shareholder anxiety with the unknown on if their investment will "be vested" by the time they need to pull it out for retirement? If that's the case it seems like it might be shrewd for younger investors to buy into physics research on a 15-20 year timeline?
  - sigmoid10 9mo ago
    Unfortunately, younger people usually have neither the money nor the foresight for this.
parineum 9mo ago
> Why not Apple and Nvidia fund the next particle collider, and give something back to society instead of letting tax payers fund it so billionaires can privatize the profits? Where do you think that tax money comes from? Apple and Nvidia are creating the economies that produce tax revenue at every step of the way.
- bigfudge 9mo ago
  Yeah, except corporations don’t pay tax like they did in the 50s and 60s…
- awkwardleon 9mo ago
  I believe the point was these companies benefited greatly and specifically from basic research funded by the government: they should therefore "give back" in kind (vs simply contributing to the tax base and relying on a government to figure out what to fund). The reality is these companies care only about shareholder value, and the current US administration has been terminating grants and cutting funding in basic research. I think it's fair to question, in this environment, what these companies' ethical responsibilities really should be.

davrosthedalek 9mo ago

Do you want the results of the research be open and available to all, or should it become IP of nvidia or apple?

gosub100 9mo ago
Why wouldn't it be open to all? The person I replied to just said how great it is for open information to trickle down to everyone.
- davrosthedalek 9mo ago
  Why would nvidia/apple/whoever open up research they paid for to help anybody but them?

boringg 9mo ago

I think your starting premise is obviously false and where are you getting that billionaires are privatizing the profits from the particle collider (sounds like a talking point). No one can guarantee that there are benefits - we can surmise that there are but there are still massive risks associated with large form science experiments. Government has always been the backbone of basic science research - no one else can reasonably bear the risk and the advances are public domain.

sigmoid10 9mo ago

Fundamental physics research has an extremely profitable returns ratio, but it takes decades to amortize. This does not work with capitalist corporations who only care about immediate profits. Even for governments this is a difficult sell, but at least they don't have to soothe shareholders every quarter. Generational projects take a different kind of economic thinking.

butlike 9mo ago
Is that just because there's shareholder anxiety with the unknown on if their investment will "be vested" by the time they need to pull it out for retirement? If that's the case it seems like it might be shrewd for younger investors to buy into physics research on a 15-20 year timeline?
- sigmoid10 9mo ago
  Unfortunately, younger people usually have neither the money nor the foresight for this.

parineum 9mo ago

> Why not Apple and Nvidia fund the next particle collider, and give something back to society instead of letting tax payers fund it so billionaires can privatize the profits? Where do you think that tax money comes from? Apple and Nvidia are creating the economies that produce tax revenue at every step of the way.

bigfudge 9mo ago
Yeah, except corporations don’t pay tax like they did in the 50s and 60s…
awkwardleon 9mo ago
I believe the point was these companies benefited greatly and specifically from basic research funded by the government: they should therefore "give back" in kind (vs simply contributing to the tax base and relying on a government to figure out what to fund). The reality is these companies care only about shareholder value, and the current US administration has been terminating grants and cutting funding in basic research. I think it's fair to question, in this environment, what these companies' ethical responsibilities really should be.