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You can be libertarian and a capitalist and still be pro-union. At the end of the day, a Collective Bargaining Agreement is just a private contract between two
by elicash 8mo ago
You can be libertarian and a capitalist and still be pro-union. At the end of the day, a Collective Bargaining Agreement is just a private contract between two parties. It can be a way to raise wages without government setting a minimum price for labor.
While I'd agree most of its proponents (like myself) also favor other left-wing policies, I'm just saying it doesn't need to be.
- simondoubleu 8mo ago[dead]
- MrBuddyCasino 8mo agoUnions are labour cartels for the purpose of extracting above-market wages from the commons, a sort of mafia. They are incompatible with capitalism and libertarianism, especially with libertarianism.
- co_king_3 8mo agoWho fucking cares. I would gladly start a mafia to exploit the commons if it meant I got paid more for working less.
- elicash 8mo agoBy this logic, every corporation is a cartel to extract below-market wages from the commons. Both sides are bargaining collectively. And so you'd be saying both are incompatible with libertarianism. There are strands of libertarian thought, I suppose, where government shouldn't be incorporating businesses at all. But it's still legit to say libertarianism is compatible with corporations and with labor unions.
- MrBuddyCasino 8mo ago> By this logic, every corporation is a cartel to extract below-market wages from the commons. This statement makes only sense if you don't know what markets are, how they work and what their purpose is.
- elicash 8mo agoRight! Neither statement makes any sense.
- 9rx 8mo agoCartels are not at odds with libertarianism. In fact, freedom of association is the fundamental underpinning of libertarianism. Unions are the libertarian solution to labour woes. Other groups normally favour regulation instead. Libertarians don't have a theoretical problem with cartels because if a cartel tries to push for above-market prices, someone else will swoop in and start doing it for less, taking all the cartel customers with them.
- keybored 8mo agoWhat is rich people collaborating called? You might claim that it is incompatible with capitalism but it’s just a fact of it. It’s easier for a small number of resourceful people (and capital gives them resources) to collaborate than for many people with not much more resources than their house/mortgage. This is what Adam Smith told us anyway.
- MrBuddyCasino 8mo agoIt is also illegal. Simply assuming that "every employer does it because theoretically it is easier for then to do so" to help your argument is rather self-serving, considering that labour unions are explicitly legal and exist.
- keybored 8mo agoIt’s not theoretical.
- MrBuddyCasino 8mo agoCynicism is such a waste of time when you haven't done the thing you're cynical about and have no first-hand experience. You think you're thinking about reality. All you're doing is imagining reality. You're living in a fantasy.
- keybored 8mo agoRich people collude all the time. They buy political power with money. It’s so out in the open that I’m not going to post a whole diatribe on it. It’s news to me that what Adam Smith wrote about in that book was theoretical. Oh well.