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The burn down a hotel thing wasn't about panopticons - Lucy Connolly posted publicly with her own name and photo. (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRestIsPolitics/co

by tim333 9mo ago

The burn down a hotel thing wasn't about panopticons - Lucy Connolly posted publicly with her own name and photo. (https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRestIsPolitics/comments/1lvrepk/lucy_connolly_and_kneecap_can_comparisons_be_drawn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRestIsPolitics/comments/1lvrepk/...) The sentence was probably excessive though.

lII1lIlI11ll 9mo ago
UK also apparently arrest people for posting videos of zieg heiling dogs and other such nonsense. Which is exactly my point - once the instruments to track and de-anonymize people online are set up, they eventually will be used for all kinds of purposes.
- tim333 9mo ago
  Yeah but that doesn't seem to be the purpose or design of the current tech. Like anyone can still make an anonymous account and post whatever.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    X requires email and phone number verification and your tweets are still buried if you don't pay (with a credit card)
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  Should it be legal to tweet a sieg heiling dog in Germany, when it's your dog, and you taught it to sieg heil, and you filmed it at Auschwitz? Or what's the exact boundary between acceptable and unacceptable?
  - lII1lIlI11ll 9mo ago
    > Should it be legal to tweet a sieg heiling dog in Germany, when it's your dog, and you taught it to sieg heil, and you filmed it at Auschwitz? Or what's the exact boundary between acceptable and unacceptable? Yes? Yes, of course? Being an idiot on internet has traditionally been legal in civilized liberal western countries. Such person could be banned by a platform that doesn't want such content and ostracized by their peers (they guy who made sieg heiling dog video claimed he did it for his girlfriend or something and I would dump him, if I was her) but I don't want my government to build a panopticon to prevent such behavior and I don't want my taxes wasted on policing it.
    - direwolf20 9mo ago
      In Germany it's illegal to venerate the Holocaust in any way whatsoever — for obvious reasons. Are you suggesting that should change?
      - int_19h 9mo ago
        Yes, absolutely. It should be perfectly legal to venerate whatever people want to venerate, that's basic freedom of conscience.

by tim333 9mo ago

lII1lIlI11ll 9mo ago

UK also apparently arrest people for posting videos of zieg heiling dogs and other such nonsense. Which is exactly my point - once the instruments to track and de-anonymize people online are set up, they eventually will be used for all kinds of purposes.

tim333 9mo ago
Yeah but that doesn't seem to be the purpose or design of the current tech. Like anyone can still make an anonymous account and post whatever.
- direwolf20 9mo ago
  X requires email and phone number verification and your tweets are still buried if you don't pay (with a credit card)
direwolf20 9mo ago
Should it be legal to tweet a sieg heiling dog in Germany, when it's your dog, and you taught it to sieg heil, and you filmed it at Auschwitz? Or what's the exact boundary between acceptable and unacceptable?
- lII1lIlI11ll 9mo ago
  > Should it be legal to tweet a sieg heiling dog in Germany, when it's your dog, and you taught it to sieg heil, and you filmed it at Auschwitz? Or what's the exact boundary between acceptable and unacceptable? Yes? Yes, of course? Being an idiot on internet has traditionally been legal in civilized liberal western countries. Such person could be banned by a platform that doesn't want such content and ostracized by their peers (they guy who made sieg heiling dog video claimed he did it for his girlfriend or something and I would dump him, if I was her) but I don't want my government to build a panopticon to prevent such behavior and I don't want my taxes wasted on policing it.
  - direwolf20 9mo ago
    In Germany it's illegal to venerate the Holocaust in any way whatsoever — for obvious reasons. Are you suggesting that should change?
    - int_19h 9mo ago
      Yes, absolutely. It should be perfectly legal to venerate whatever people want to venerate, that's basic freedom of conscience.