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Is the problem the position/horse or that Qwen mostly shows asian people? Do western AI models mostly default to white people?

• wtcactus 8mo ago
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  • viraptor 8mo ago
    > they mostly default to black people You're referring to a case of one version of one model. That's not "mostly" or "default to".
    • raincole 8mo ago
      Out of curiosity I just tried this prompt: > Generate a photo of the founding fathers of a future, non-existing country. Five people in total. with Nano Banana Pro (the SOTA). I tried the same prompt 5 times and every time black people are the majority. So yeah, I think the parent comment is not that far off.
      • KingMob 8mo ago
        I mean it's still far off, because they said "historical context", i.e., the actual past, but your prompt is about a hypothetical future. (I suspect you tried a prompt about the original founding fathers, and found it didn't make that mistake any more.)
        • wtcactus 8mo ago
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              • computerthings 8mo ago
      • viraptor 8mo ago
        Luck? 1 black person, 3 south Asian in total for me. But for an out of context imaginary future... why would you choose non-black people? There's about the same reason to go with any random look.
        • wtcactus 8mo ago
          So, the answer to the question "Do western AI models mostly default to white people?" is clearly a resounding: no, they don't.
          • viraptor 8mo ago
            No. But neither black people. Or anyone specifically. So we got to a nice balance it seems.
• goga-piven 8mo ago
  Well, what if some western models showcase white people in all good-looking images and the only embarrassing image features Asian people? wouldn't that be considered racism?
  • embedding-shape 8mo ago
    > and the only embarrassing image Embarrassing image? I'm white, why would I be embarrassed over that image? It's a computer generated image with no real people in it, how could it be embarrassing for alive humans?
    • badhorseman 8mo ago
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      • embedding-shape 8mo ago
        Yeah, why would I feel embarrassed over either of those things? I get angry when I see nazi propaganda, feel hopeless sometimes when I see racist caricatures, but never "embarrassed", that wouldn't make much sense. What would I be embarrassed about exactly?
        • badhorseman 8mo ago
          Indeed if ones own race is not being denigrated one would not feel embarrassed, although one may be embarrassed that racist material was created by their people. If ones own race is being denigrated then one may indeed feel embarrassment and perhaps also the anger and hopelessness. As for why exactly embarrassment if the purpose is to degrade by pointing some reason why the author holds your people in contempt and you are indeed hopeless as to stop it, shame and embarrassment is often what is felt. In another post you talked about people getting mad at the image without context What context are we missing exactly. I do not feel ill informed or angry. But I could indeed be missing something, can you explain the context? If you where to say it's because of the LLM adding more context then that could be plausible, but why the medieval and hemp-rope? I know how sensitive the western companies have been on their models getting rid of negative racial stereo-types, going as far as to avoid and modify certain training data, would you accept an LLM producing negative stereotypes or tending to put one particular racial group into a submissive situation then others? I really do feel like the idea that the LLM would just take the prompt A human male being ridden by a horse to include all those other details and go straight for a darker, somber tone and expression and a dynamic of domination and submission rather then a more humorous description, unlikely.