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IRC is the only alternative that runs on random potatos and survives lawfare.

by coretx 8mo ago

alt187 8mo ago
One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP.
- debo_ 8mo ago
  Users?
- opan 8mo ago
  Waaaaaaay better clients (this is the big one), chat logs that are easier to search through with standard unix tools, avoids issues with OMEMO breaking (which stops people chatting at all, breaking the main usage of the program). Saying this as a regular user of both. I spend way more time on IRC and I enjoy irssi much more than Gajim, Dino, or Conversations. I do think XMPP has potential, though.
  - grep_name 8mo ago
    Yeah I'm planning to send both matrix and xmpp through bitlbee so I can use a terminal client as well (I know matrix has one technically but it is reeeeally crufty). I don't understand why every modern chat client has to be 99% empty whitespace separated by squircles.
    - opan 8mo ago
      matrix.org used to feature weechat-matrix among the recommended clients, but last I looked it wasn't there anymore. Dead project, probably. A shame.
      - ptman 8mo ago
        There are other terminal clients.
      - grep_name 8mo ago
        I was going to use bitlbee, but it looks like matrix-purple lost e2ee support a couple years ago. That's really frustrating. I wonder how hard it would be to get it working again
        Arathorn 8mo ago
        https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix... might be able to help you?
- Bender 8mo ago
  One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP. I think you should be able to use whatever suits your needs and preferences. The key is removing friction for the potential users. Friction can be overcome by incentives e.g. what it is in for them to jump through a few hoops. As just one example the more totalitarian and risky that laws become the less that people will object to a little initial friction. This can also weed out lower quality members. IRC, XMPP, SSH, Self hosted forums, Radio Mesh ... bring it all!
- coretx 8mo ago
  Reslience
rcakebread 8mo ago
IRC can do voice, screen sharing etc.?
- coretx 8mo ago
  It can help it setup but it should not because its better at being the place where you click on a solution for everything else you just mentioned being down. Its a cheap low noise and highly available fallback. Those "idle" channels of the past actually served a serious purpose.

IRC is the only alternative that runs on random potatos and survives lawfare.

by coretx 8mo ago

IRC is the only alternative that runs on random potatos and survives lawfare.

alt187 8mo ago

One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP.

debo_ 8mo ago
Users?
opan 8mo ago
Waaaaaaay better clients (this is the big one), chat logs that are easier to search through with standard unix tools, avoids issues with OMEMO breaking (which stops people chatting at all, breaking the main usage of the program). Saying this as a regular user of both. I spend way more time on IRC and I enjoy irssi much more than Gajim, Dino, or Conversations. I do think XMPP has potential, though.
- grep_name 8mo ago
  Yeah I'm planning to send both matrix and xmpp through bitlbee so I can use a terminal client as well (I know matrix has one technically but it is reeeeally crufty). I don't understand why every modern chat client has to be 99% empty whitespace separated by squircles.
  - opan 8mo ago
    matrix.org used to feature weechat-matrix among the recommended clients, but last I looked it wasn't there anymore. Dead project, probably. A shame.
    - ptman 8mo ago
      There are other terminal clients.
    - grep_name 8mo ago
      I was going to use bitlbee, but it looks like matrix-purple lost e2ee support a couple years ago. That's really frustrating. I wonder how hard it would be to get it working again
      - Arathorn 8mo ago
        https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix?ref_type=heads https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/Chatty/-/tree/main/src/matrix... might be able to help you?
Bender 8mo ago
One has still yet to convince me of anything IRC has over XMPP. I think you should be able to use whatever suits your needs and preferences. The key is removing friction for the potential users. Friction can be overcome by incentives e.g. what it is in for them to jump through a few hoops. As just one example the more totalitarian and risky that laws become the less that people will object to a little initial friction. This can also weed out lower quality members. IRC, XMPP, SSH, Self hosted forums, Radio Mesh ... bring it all!
coretx 8mo ago
Reslience

rcakebread 8mo ago

IRC can do voice, screen sharing etc.?

coretx 8mo ago
It can help it setup but it should not because its better at being the place where you click on a solution for everything else you just mentioned being down. Its a cheap low noise and highly available fallback. Those "idle" channels of the past actually served a serious purpose.