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WhatsApp sends a copy of all your messages to ICE. Signal doesn't.

by direwolf20 8mo ago

dizhn 8mo ago
Source?
- attila-lendvai 8mo ago
  whatsapp is facebook; do you need any other "source"? i'd be surprised if they didn't have straight out government logins...
  - dizhn 8mo ago
    Of course I need another source. I think you're right too but this is just speculation. I thought you had access to some actual information.
    - direwolf20 8mo ago
      They're getting sued for it.
      - lotsofpulp 8mo ago
        Anyone can sue anyone for anything. I have no doubt the US government has access to whatever data it wants from all businesses, but a lawsuit is not evidence of anything.
      - andsoitis 8mo ago
        > They’re getting sued for it If this is the case you’re referring to, then I don’t know that it is proof of your assertion, in fact maybe the opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/31/us-authorities-reportedly-investigate-claims-that-meta-can-read-encrypted-whatsapp-messages https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/31/us-author...
- ses1984 8mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-tools-on-spouses-ex-lovers-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14H/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-... Millennials and older generations witnessed this happening bit by bit, some of us tried to fight it, but ultimately it’s everywhere now, and apparently it’s been so ubiquitous for so long that people aren’t even aware of it anymore.
  - dizhn 8mo ago
    I am the person who asked for the source. 1) I do not believe for a second that Meta would actually implement something that would remove their own ability to read those messages. 2) We do not have any proof that their claimed e2e chat service is actually compromised. The matter of fact tone of the parent made me think there was some actual proof or at least something more than speculation. That's why I asked for a source.
    - ses1984 8mo ago
      I am not sure I understand what you’re saying. If meta can read those messages, then they’re most definitely not e2e encrypted. Given the historical record, you would be a fool to assume that any service run by a public company isn’t fully tapped by US intelligence agencies. They’ve been tapping anything and everything they can get their hands on, why stop at whatsapp? Let me flip it around: what proof do you actually have that it is e2e encrypted? Zuckerberg pinky promised?
      - saintfire 8mo ago
        You didn't actually flip it around at all. They're stating they doubt Meta would ever allow full e2ee, which is not evidence but simply speculation. AND They asked for a source/evidence to prove their hunch is more than speculative.

WhatsApp sends a copy of all your messages to ICE. Signal doesn't.

dizhn 8mo ago

Source?

attila-lendvai 8mo ago
whatsapp is facebook; do you need any other "source"? i'd be surprised if they didn't have straight out government logins...
- dizhn 8mo ago
  Of course I need another source. I think you're right too but this is just speculation. I thought you had access to some actual information.
  - direwolf20 8mo ago
    They're getting sued for it.
    - lotsofpulp 8mo ago
      Anyone can sue anyone for anything. I have no doubt the US government has access to whatever data it wants from all businesses, but a lawsuit is not evidence of anything.
    - andsoitis 8mo ago
      > They’re getting sued for it If this is the case you’re referring to, then I don’t know that it is proof of your assertion, in fact maybe the opposite: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/31/us-authorities-reportedly-investigate-claims-that-meta-can-read-encrypted-whatsapp-messages https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/31/us-author...
ses1984 8mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_official) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(intelligence_o... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-tools-on-spouses-ex-lovers-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14H/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/nsa-staff-used-spy-... Millennials and older generations witnessed this happening bit by bit, some of us tried to fight it, but ultimately it’s everywhere now, and apparently it’s been so ubiquitous for so long that people aren’t even aware of it anymore.
- dizhn 8mo ago
  I am the person who asked for the source. 1) I do not believe for a second that Meta would actually implement something that would remove their own ability to read those messages. 2) We do not have any proof that their claimed e2e chat service is actually compromised. The matter of fact tone of the parent made me think there was some actual proof or at least something more than speculation. That's why I asked for a source.
  - ses1984 8mo ago
    I am not sure I understand what you’re saying. If meta can read those messages, then they’re most definitely not e2e encrypted. Given the historical record, you would be a fool to assume that any service run by a public company isn’t fully tapped by US intelligence agencies. They’ve been tapping anything and everything they can get their hands on, why stop at whatsapp? Let me flip it around: what proof do you actually have that it is e2e encrypted? Zuckerberg pinky promised?
    - saintfire 8mo ago
      You didn't actually flip it around at all. They're stating they doubt Meta would ever allow full e2ee, which is not evidence but simply speculation. AND They asked for a source/evidence to prove their hunch is more than speculative.