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>I hate to say it but tossing bible versus around isn’t going to make your case very well Not if you actually read the verse, it's a relevant, experience drive

>I hate to say it but tossing bible versus around isn’t going to make your case very well Not if you actually read the verse, it's a relevant, experience driven philosophical statement.

dangus 8mo ago
Are we reading the same verse? I read it and it doesn’t seem relevant at all. It almost looks like the commenter pasted the wrong book/chapter/verse.
- hattmall 8mo ago
  I don't know. I thought it made sense in that the previous commenter was lamenting the "boomers" and how everything will be better when they are gone. Without actually realizing that their isn't anything inherently problematic with boomers, it's just that they are the first generation that didn't reproduce at a replacement level. Making the aged a larger demographic than than the youth. That problem, however isn't going away, and is in fact magnified in each subsequent current generation.
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago
  You have to read the correct translation. The one that specifically references why it's good to die young
  - dangus 8mo ago
    Well, that’s stupid. It’s not admirable to die young. My grandma lived 96 years of a happy, healthy, enriching life. She got her college degree at age 60. She had a beaming smile when she played with her great grandchildren. She enjoyed the company of her husband well into her 90s. She lived independently until the last month of her life. And there we go with the bible, you gotta read the correct telephone game translation of it and interpret the right way for it to make any bit of sense. Nobody can just accept that it was written in a human developmental era that most of us wouldn’t relate with in any way. For example, it was considered a blessing to die young and “go to heaven” in an era before surgical anesthesia. Better than living a long life with ailments that a modern doctor can treat in an afternoon. We didn’t even get basic antibiotics until less than 200 years ago.
    - hattmall 8mo ago
      Yes, but your grandmother still died young. The future is one where fewer and fewer people reproduce but we have a far greater pace of longevity breakthroughs. The first humans to live to be 200 are almost certainly alive today, and in that 100 extra years the pace of innovation should increase and 200 will become young. The inevitable outcome is that machines will enslave humans, humans which never die and thus are trapped as slaves never reaching heaven. i.e. in hell. Constantly surveilled,too valuable to die and yet fully capable of experiencing pain, anguish and torment. The alternative is that some sort of societal collapse resets humanity to a much lower technological level in which case your grandmother was likely also fortunate to have missed that. The overall concept is that the only way to get to heaven is to leave earth. Thus, anyone who does that, has, from the perspective of those that remain and inevitably break the longevity barrier, died young. Think of how disappointed the billions of souls in heaven, experiencing only peace and bliss, would be if their time on earth had increased 10x due antibiotics. It's not the dead who mourn, but the living.

>I hate to say it but tossing bible versus around isn’t going to make your case very well Not if you actually read the verse, it's a relevant, experience driven philosophical statement.

dangus 8mo ago

Are we reading the same verse? I read it and it doesn’t seem relevant at all. It almost looks like the commenter pasted the wrong book/chapter/verse.

hattmall 8mo ago
I don't know. I thought it made sense in that the previous commenter was lamenting the "boomers" and how everything will be better when they are gone. Without actually realizing that their isn't anything inherently problematic with boomers, it's just that they are the first generation that didn't reproduce at a replacement level. Making the aged a larger demographic than than the youth. That problem, however isn't going away, and is in fact magnified in each subsequent current generation.
Der_Einzige 8mo ago
You have to read the correct translation. The one that specifically references why it's good to die young
- dangus 8mo ago
  Well, that’s stupid. It’s not admirable to die young. My grandma lived 96 years of a happy, healthy, enriching life. She got her college degree at age 60. She had a beaming smile when she played with her great grandchildren. She enjoyed the company of her husband well into her 90s. She lived independently until the last month of her life. And there we go with the bible, you gotta read the correct telephone game translation of it and interpret the right way for it to make any bit of sense. Nobody can just accept that it was written in a human developmental era that most of us wouldn’t relate with in any way. For example, it was considered a blessing to die young and “go to heaven” in an era before surgical anesthesia. Better than living a long life with ailments that a modern doctor can treat in an afternoon. We didn’t even get basic antibiotics until less than 200 years ago.
  - hattmall 8mo ago
    Yes, but your grandmother still died young. The future is one where fewer and fewer people reproduce but we have a far greater pace of longevity breakthroughs. The first humans to live to be 200 are almost certainly alive today, and in that 100 extra years the pace of innovation should increase and 200 will become young. The inevitable outcome is that machines will enslave humans, humans which never die and thus are trapped as slaves never reaching heaven. i.e. in hell. Constantly surveilled,too valuable to die and yet fully capable of experiencing pain, anguish and torment. The alternative is that some sort of societal collapse resets humanity to a much lower technological level in which case your grandmother was likely also fortunate to have missed that. The overall concept is that the only way to get to heaven is to leave earth. Thus, anyone who does that, has, from the perspective of those that remain and inevitably break the longevity barrier, died young. Think of how disappointed the billions of souls in heaven, experiencing only peace and bliss, would be if their time on earth had increased 10x due antibiotics. It's not the dead who mourn, but the living.