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While that is true, "Drivers consistently ignoring rules" is also a systems issue, which can be mitigated through e.g. better road design (narrower roads reduce

While that is true, "Drivers consistently ignoring rules" is also a systems issue, which can be mitigated through e.g. better road design (narrower roads reduce speeding, for example).

littlestymaar 8mo ago
Or “design cities to be less car centric so we can keep the antisocial drivers out of a car”. It's definitely a system issue.
- alt227 8mo ago
  Why jump to cities? Low speed traffic in cities is not the main location of car collisions. The main issue is highways and rural roads.
  - b40d-48b2-979e 8mo ago
    The main issue is highways and rural roads. Source? I'd wager most accidents happen where the most people are. Cities.
    - alt227 8mo ago
      It seems we are talking about different things. The majority of car collisions happen on urban roads where the majority of cars are. The majority of fatal collisions occur on rural roads, where vehicles are travelling faster. I live in the UK. https://www.simplyquote.co.uk/insights/where-do-most-car-accidents-happen-in-the-uk/ https://www.simplyquote.co.uk/insights/where-do-most-car-acc...
    - hydrogen7800 8mo ago
      > I'd wager most accidents happen where the most people are. Cities. Sure, in absolute numbers. But.. In the US, highest deaths per 100M vehicle miles: 1.79 - Mississippi 1.73 - Arizona 1.72 - South Carolina And the lowest: 0.56 - Massachusetts 0.70 - Minnesota 0.78 - New Jersey Or, highest per 100,000 population: 25 - Mississippi 25 - Wyoming 21 - New Mexico Lowest per 100,000: 4.9 - Massachusetts 5.7 - New York 6.5 - New Jersey Maybe the average MS driver drives 3-5x as many miles as the average MA driver? I doubt it. Something else happening there. https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/deta...
      - littlestymaar 8mo ago
        Fortunately deaths are only a fraction of the accidents though, and it's not even necessarily the kind of accident that bothers insurance companies the most as long as the driver only kills himself.
  - littlestymaar 8mo ago
    “Highways” and “city” aren't incompatible, quite the opposite: most of the traffic on highways is commuting, in urban areas.
    - alt227 8mo ago
      .... in the USA. I live in the UK where highways majority used for inter city transport.
      - littlestymaar 8mo ago
        I can't tell about the UK, but it's definitely true as well in France and Germany. And a quick look at map of London and Birmingham suggests that it may very well be the case in the UK as well…
        alt227 8mo ago
        Maybe actually looking at research and statistics might serve you better than casually glancing at maps and taking wild guesses. I'll get you started: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-survey-2023/nts-2023-car-availability-and-trends-in-car-trips https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-sur...
        littlestymaar 8mo ago
        Funny how you don't even bothered to get the data by yourself get still felt entitled to act like a jerk.

While that is true, "Drivers consistently ignoring rules" is also a systems issue, which can be mitigated through e.g. better road design (narrower roads reduce speeding, for example).

littlestymaar 8mo ago

Or “design cities to be less car centric so we can keep the antisocial drivers out of a car”. It's definitely a system issue.

alt227 8mo ago
Why jump to cities? Low speed traffic in cities is not the main location of car collisions. The main issue is highways and rural roads.
- b40d-48b2-979e 8mo ago
  The main issue is highways and rural roads. Source? I'd wager most accidents happen where the most people are. Cities.
  - alt227 8mo ago
    It seems we are talking about different things. The majority of car collisions happen on urban roads where the majority of cars are. The majority of fatal collisions occur on rural roads, where vehicles are travelling faster. I live in the UK. https://www.simplyquote.co.uk/insights/where-do-most-car-accidents-happen-in-the-uk/ https://www.simplyquote.co.uk/insights/where-do-most-car-acc...
  - hydrogen7800 8mo ago
    > I'd wager most accidents happen where the most people are. Cities. Sure, in absolute numbers. But.. In the US, highest deaths per 100M vehicle miles: 1.79 - Mississippi 1.73 - Arizona 1.72 - South Carolina And the lowest: 0.56 - Massachusetts 0.70 - Minnesota 0.78 - New Jersey Or, highest per 100,000 population: 25 - Mississippi 25 - Wyoming 21 - New Mexico Lowest per 100,000: 4.9 - Massachusetts 5.7 - New York 6.5 - New Jersey Maybe the average MS driver drives 3-5x as many miles as the average MA driver? I doubt it. Something else happening there. https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/deta...
    - littlestymaar 8mo ago
      Fortunately deaths are only a fraction of the accidents though, and it's not even necessarily the kind of accident that bothers insurance companies the most as long as the driver only kills himself.
- littlestymaar 8mo ago
  “Highways” and “city” aren't incompatible, quite the opposite: most of the traffic on highways is commuting, in urban areas.
  - alt227 8mo ago
    .... in the USA. I live in the UK where highways majority used for inter city transport.
    - littlestymaar 8mo ago
      I can't tell about the UK, but it's definitely true as well in France and Germany. And a quick look at map of London and Birmingham suggests that it may very well be the case in the UK as well…
      - alt227 8mo ago
        Maybe actually looking at research and statistics might serve you better than casually glancing at maps and taking wild guesses. I'll get you started: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-survey-2023/nts-2023-car-availability-and-trends-in-car-trips https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-travel-sur...
        littlestymaar 8mo ago
        Funny how you don't even bothered to get the data by yourself get still felt entitled to act like a jerk.