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And perhaps with an economic collapse to rival the climate outcomes we're afraid of nevermind noncompliance by economies that couldn't begin to survive with suc

And perhaps with an economic collapse to rival the climate outcomes we're afraid of nevermind noncompliance by economies that couldn't begin to survive with such an expensive early switch followed by... what recourse? War? Wouldn't everything be great if everyone did the super hard thing in the past so all of our problems would be solved and we'd live in peace and perfect harmony! /s

triceratops 9mo ago
> nevermind noncompliance by economies that couldn't begin to survive with such an expensive early switch followed by... what recourse? Tariffs.
marssaxman 9mo ago
> if everyone did the super hard thing in the past I'd settle for the present - or the near future - or at all, ever, really, in place of the "let's just drive this bus off the cliff at full speed and hope our children learn to fly in midair" policy we've been implicitly choosing.
- colechristensen 9mo ago
  Solar is the cheapest source of electricity now and we've got grid scale batteries that are economical. The solution is here. Climate change is too. It's time to stop worrying and hoping drastic prevention plans are going to work because it's already happened. The world is going to change and people are going to have to change with it (and move, mostly).
  - marssaxman 9mo ago
    I am well aware. I'm not worried about it anymore; I'm heartbroken, and I'm furious.
    - colechristensen 9mo ago
      Does that help anyone?
      - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
        I'm not sure we should just ignore that the way we are handing this is to put all the costs onto the poor and powerless, while letting the rich and powerful become ever richer and more powerful. Turning that upside down would absolutely help a lot of people. More people should be furious about this.
collingreen 9mo ago
Therefore we should do nothing! Why should I do anything if the folks before and around me didn't already do everything? Moreover, why work on a climate catastrophe for everyone if there's even a chance of negative economic impact for the investor class?
- colechristensen 9mo ago
  You don't have to do anything. You're losing money if you don't move to solar. You don't have to do anything out of any kind of altruistic future world saving hopes and dreams. You can just do it because you're cheap and greedy. If you want to stand by and pollute the world with fossil carbon emissions... well you're paying extra for the privilege, and why?

triceratops 9mo ago

> nevermind noncompliance by economies that couldn't begin to survive with such an expensive early switch followed by... what recourse? Tariffs.

marssaxman 9mo ago

> if everyone did the super hard thing in the past I'd settle for the present - or the near future - or at all, ever, really, in place of the "let's just drive this bus off the cliff at full speed and hope our children learn to fly in midair" policy we've been implicitly choosing.

colechristensen 9mo ago
Solar is the cheapest source of electricity now and we've got grid scale batteries that are economical. The solution is here. Climate change is too. It's time to stop worrying and hoping drastic prevention plans are going to work because it's already happened. The world is going to change and people are going to have to change with it (and move, mostly).
- marssaxman 9mo ago
  I am well aware. I'm not worried about it anymore; I'm heartbroken, and I'm furious.
  - colechristensen 9mo ago
    Does that help anyone?
    - amanaplanacanal 9mo ago
      I'm not sure we should just ignore that the way we are handing this is to put all the costs onto the poor and powerless, while letting the rich and powerful become ever richer and more powerful. Turning that upside down would absolutely help a lot of people. More people should be furious about this.

collingreen 9mo ago

Therefore we should do nothing! Why should I do anything if the folks before and around me didn't already do everything? Moreover, why work on a climate catastrophe for everyone if there's even a chance of negative economic impact for the investor class?

colechristensen 9mo ago
You don't have to do anything. You're losing money if you don't move to solar. You don't have to do anything out of any kind of altruistic future world saving hopes and dreams. You can just do it because you're cheap and greedy. If you want to stand by and pollute the world with fossil carbon emissions... well you're paying extra for the privilege, and why?