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Continually pandering to "humane" bullshit is why the country has become the way it is.

wredcoll 9mo ago
And what exactly is that way? Semi-official paramilitary groups harassing americans? Desperate attempts to demonize minorities? Threats to prevent future elections? Trade wars that fuck over the american economy and moronic foreign policy that pisses away decades of power accumulation? That's all the fault of asking people to be humane?
- userbinator 9mo ago
  The erosion of accountability and personal responsibility. If there weren't any illegal immigrants there wouldn't be any need to go looking so invasively for them. This is a very strong course correction after many years of neglecting things.
  - jocular 9mo ago
    That's some serious right wing programming.
  - wredcoll 9mo ago
    The presence of illegal immigrants does not, in fact, mean we have to go looking for them. It definitely does not mean we have to break the law while doing so. Also it's weird how the group that used to talk about personal responsibility elected trump, the literal antithesis of taking responsibility for anything ever.
    - account42 9mo ago
      > The presence of illegal immigrants does not, in fact, mean we have to go looking for them. It does unless you are calling for the selective enforcement of laws. > It definitely does not mean we have to break the law while doing so Which is fair but most people upset with ICE are essentially calling for no enforcement due to a couple of incidents among a country of 300 million just like with any other issue being advanced by the opposing tribe. I think we can objectively say that the previous level of enforcement was not a sufficient deterrent to reduce the level of illegal immigration. Whether the current enforcement is "breaking laws" or if incidents are tolerable mistakes will be for courts to decide. > Also it's weird how the group that used to talk about personal responsibility elected trump, the literal antithesis of taking responsibility for anything ever. I think many of the voters, certainly enough to swing the scale, voted for the lesser of two evils rather than being believers in everything trump. As a random non-American I am not convinced they made the wrong choice.
      - computerthings 9mo ago
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And what exactly is that way? Semi-official paramilitary groups harassing americans? Desperate attempts to demonize minorities? Threats to prevent future elections? Trade wars that fuck over the american economy and moronic foreign policy that pisses away decades of power accumulation? That's all the fault of asking people to be humane?

userbinator 9mo ago
The erosion of accountability and personal responsibility. If there weren't any illegal immigrants there wouldn't be any need to go looking so invasively for them. This is a very strong course correction after many years of neglecting things.
- jocular 9mo ago
  That's some serious right wing programming.
- wredcoll 9mo ago
  The presence of illegal immigrants does not, in fact, mean we have to go looking for them. It definitely does not mean we have to break the law while doing so. Also it's weird how the group that used to talk about personal responsibility elected trump, the literal antithesis of taking responsibility for anything ever.
  - account42 9mo ago
    > The presence of illegal immigrants does not, in fact, mean we have to go looking for them. It does unless you are calling for the selective enforcement of laws. > It definitely does not mean we have to break the law while doing so Which is fair but most people upset with ICE are essentially calling for no enforcement due to a couple of incidents among a country of 300 million just like with any other issue being advanced by the opposing tribe. I think we can objectively say that the previous level of enforcement was not a sufficient deterrent to reduce the level of illegal immigration. Whether the current enforcement is "breaking laws" or if incidents are tolerable mistakes will be for courts to decide. > Also it's weird how the group that used to talk about personal responsibility elected trump, the literal antithesis of taking responsibility for anything ever. I think many of the voters, certainly enough to swing the scale, voted for the lesser of two evils rather than being believers in everything trump. As a random non-American I am not convinced they made the wrong choice.
    - computerthings 9mo ago
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