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Is it fully open source so it can survive being abandoned by Microsoft?

by mulmen 8mo ago

sieep 8mo ago
From my understanding, .NET, C# F# are all open source. The main thing in the tool chain that isnt is Visual Studio but most people can get by with VS Code
- adabyron 8mo ago
  Highly recommend using JetBrains Rider instead if you want the best IDE experience. It's not a Microsoft product & is used by a large percentage of .NET devs.
  - sieep 8mo ago
    You are correct to mention that especially since theyve eased up on their licensing recently, I had in mind that it was still paid for software like Visual Studio. Rider is much better for .NET than VS code!
- estimator7292 8mo ago
  There's also mono
  - sieep 8mo ago
    yes a key part of the ecosystem! Roslyn is open source as well IIRC
- dlahoda 8mo ago
  vs code plugin is not free and opensource
deleted 8mo ago
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HeavyStorm 8mo ago
Yes.
jayd16 8mo ago
https://github.com/microsoft/dotnet https://github.com/microsoft/dotnet Check it out yourself.
- mulmen 8mo ago
  No thanks. “Can the F# ecosystem survive losing the support of Microsoft?” Is not the kind of question that can be answered by looking at a GitHub repo. The purpose of this website is conversion, particularly with experts. Asking a question shouldn’t be met with pithy links that don’t answer the question.
  - ibejoeb 8mo ago
    The F# ecosystem probably would not survive abandonment by Microsoft. F# the language would probably be fine, but without the .NET runtime and tooling, it probably wouldn't be compelling. It is not widely adopted in industry, so I think finding corporate sponsorship sufficient to keep it up at the level of the other languages is slim. I don't imagine a world where there is enough community support to keep it relevant. F# has been a first-class language in .NET for at least 15 years and has lived on under Ballmer and Satya. It seems to serve as a useful R&D program for both the runtime's capabilities and for features that may go into C#, which will be the premiere language barring a cataclysm. I don't think it's quite as precarious as it might seem on the surface.
    - jayd16 8mo ago
      C# is in the top 5 most popular languages. If MS dropped support I actually think there are a lot of players would be happy to take it up. The real risk would be not dropping it up but instead giving a slow death by drip feeding support or somehow filling it with ads.
      - ibejoeb 8mo ago
        I don't think C# is going to be dropped in the foreseeable future. I don't really think F# will be either, for the reasons I just articulated, but the thought is experiment is "can F# survive if Microsoft drops it."
globalnode 8mo ago
Theres also the danger of microsoft being required to switch it off over sanctioning to your geographic region so be aware of that if you live outside the US
dlahoda 8mo ago
ide is proprietary, inuding vs code plugin

Is it fully open source so it can survive being abandoned by Microsoft?

by mulmen 8mo ago

Is it fully open source so it can survive being abandoned by Microsoft?

sieep 8mo ago

From my understanding, .NET, C# F# are all open source. The main thing in the tool chain that isnt is Visual Studio but most people can get by with VS Code

adabyron 8mo ago
Highly recommend using JetBrains Rider instead if you want the best IDE experience. It's not a Microsoft product & is used by a large percentage of .NET devs.
- sieep 8mo ago
  You are correct to mention that especially since theyve eased up on their licensing recently, I had in mind that it was still paid for software like Visual Studio. Rider is much better for .NET than VS code!
estimator7292 8mo ago
There's also mono
- sieep 8mo ago
  yes a key part of the ecosystem! Roslyn is open source as well IIRC
dlahoda 8mo ago
vs code plugin is not free and opensource

deleted 8mo ago

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HeavyStorm 8mo ago

Yes.

jayd16 8mo ago

https://github.com/microsoft/dotnet https://github.com/microsoft/dotnet Check it out yourself.

mulmen 8mo ago
No thanks. “Can the F# ecosystem survive losing the support of Microsoft?” Is not the kind of question that can be answered by looking at a GitHub repo. The purpose of this website is conversion, particularly with experts. Asking a question shouldn’t be met with pithy links that don’t answer the question.
- ibejoeb 8mo ago
  The F# ecosystem probably would not survive abandonment by Microsoft. F# the language would probably be fine, but without the .NET runtime and tooling, it probably wouldn't be compelling. It is not widely adopted in industry, so I think finding corporate sponsorship sufficient to keep it up at the level of the other languages is slim. I don't imagine a world where there is enough community support to keep it relevant. F# has been a first-class language in .NET for at least 15 years and has lived on under Ballmer and Satya. It seems to serve as a useful R&D program for both the runtime's capabilities and for features that may go into C#, which will be the premiere language barring a cataclysm. I don't think it's quite as precarious as it might seem on the surface.
  - jayd16 8mo ago
    C# is in the top 5 most popular languages. If MS dropped support I actually think there are a lot of players would be happy to take it up. The real risk would be not dropping it up but instead giving a slow death by drip feeding support or somehow filling it with ads.
    - ibejoeb 8mo ago
      I don't think C# is going to be dropped in the foreseeable future. I don't really think F# will be either, for the reasons I just articulated, but the thought is experiment is "can F# survive if Microsoft drops it."

globalnode 8mo ago

Theres also the danger of microsoft being required to switch it off over sanctioning to your geographic region so be aware of that if you live outside the US

dlahoda 8mo ago

ide is proprietary, inuding vs code plugin