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Those people were people who previously made the decision to illegally immigrate to the US. Lots of people start their day normally and then get arrested by mil

Those people were people who previously made the decision to illegally immigrate to the US. Lots of people start their day normally and then get arrested by militarized cops because they are wanted for murder or assault or burglary or cryptocurrency fraud. The fact that the US has a criminal justice system including police that arrest people suspected of crimes, isn't new, isn't obviously worse than competing systems (e.g justice via informal militia/lynch mob), and doesn't have any implications for the use of Discord today that it didn't have a decade ago.

viraptor 9mo ago
> Those people were people who previously made the decision to illegally immigrate to the US. There are no limits here and there many publicly available proofs of people getting harassed and detained regardless of legal status and deported contrary to court rulings that apply to their situation. You don't need to repeat the current ICE/DOJ lies - they can speak for themselves.
- pb7 9mo ago
  You should consider how allowing millions of illegal immigrants impacts legal residents next time you vote then.
  - userbinator 9mo ago
    The legal immigrants have it the worst --- they're the ones who got in legitimately, that already being a struggle as it is, only to be cheated by all the ones who didn't.
    - nozzlegear 9mo ago
      What does it mean to be "cheated by all the ones who didn't"? Their ire, if it's a real thing, is directed at the wrong people. They should direct it at the ones who made becoming an American citizen a long, drawn-out bureaucratic process, not their fellow immigrants who came to the US seeking a better life through hard work. As a true blue and red-blooded American, I'd vote a hundred times to make it as simple for those people to become an American citizen as it was for my forefathers, who only had to hop on a boat over in Europe and not shit themselves to death before they got here.
      - pb7 9mo ago
        >They should direct it at the ones who made becoming an American citizen a long, drawn-out bureaucratic process, not their fellow immigrants who came to the US seeking a better life through hard work. No one is entitled to come to the US. We are not the world's soup kitchen. You follow the process we the people have decided or you go somewhere else. Period. You alone don't get to decide this, these laws were passed by a democratically elected Congress.
        nozzlegear 9mo ago
        > No one is entitled to come to the US. We are not the world's soup kitchen. You follow the process we the people have decided or you go somewhere else. Period. I strongly disagree. Everyone is entitled to come to the US, and we should welcome them with open arms. Immigrants built this country and immigrants make it better, whether they're highly qualified programmers and doctors, or refugees from "shithole countries" who had to bribe their way across the border and now work on a dairy. All are welcome! Though please spare me your inevitable "have you let them into your home?!" bullshit, it's a tired argument. > You alone don't get to decide this, these laws were passed by a democratically elected Congress. "Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.'" — Martin Luther King Jr. “The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.” — Henry David Thoreau “Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.” — Henry David Thoreau "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" — The poem engraved on the plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty
        userbinator 8mo ago
        Though please spare me your inevitable "have you let them into your home?!" bullshit, it's a tired argument. You are the one who's spouting bullshit, and alongside the usual deliberate confusion of legal immigrants with illegal ones. We don't need any more of the latter, especially the ones who commit violent crimes and are otherwise a threat to society.
    - int_19h 9mo ago
      Hi, I'm a legal immigrant. I've seen what scum ICE and CBP are a long time before the current brouhaha. I hope they are in a world of hurt after Trump is kicked out.
  - viraptor 9mo ago
    This has nothing to do with the treatment of the current people residing in the US by ICE, regardless of status.
  - ericjmorey 9mo ago
    You should reconsider it.
  - shevy-java 9mo ago
    You would have to include ALL actions, including ICE troopers shooting dead US citizens too. You can not merely confine it to "this is what they do in theory"; you need to look at what they do in practice.
  - nozzlegear 9mo ago
    I have considered it, which is why I'm voting blue.
deaux 9mo ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-se... No they weren't.
- pb7 9mo ago
  Did you even read the article? He entered the country on a tourist visa and never left. That is entering the country illegally. Getting married and applying for adjustment of status does not give him legal status. He should rightfully be deported. Every story is like this without fail.
  - ericjmorey 9mo ago
    You just said that he entered legally. Then you said the opposite.
    - account42 9mo ago
      You do understand that visas have terms and limited durations, right?
    - pb7 9mo ago
      Entering on a tourist visa with intent to stay is illegal. Do you know what the word tourist means?
  - dboreham 9mo ago
    Except most US voters disagree with you. Someone married to a US citizen does have residency rights, notwithstanding the paperwork quirk that you're supposed to exit and re-enter, which typically involves flying somewhere going to the US embassy to get a stamp and flying back. So just as most people don't support the death penalty for speeding, most people don't support criminal deportation for someone who has the right to be in the US but for whatever reason (perhaps lack of money or perhaps fear of strip searching and disappearing to the gulag) didn't follow the proper process. Because most voters don't see this situation as a crime and certainly not one requiring deportation, the law doesn't treat this situation as a serious crime, or actually a crime at all. If you want to aggressively going after folks who have skirted immigration rules perhaps the place to begin is in the east wing (if it still existed).
shevy-java 9mo ago
That assumes that e. g. ICE were only involved against people who have broken the law. First and foremost - this is not the case. Second: when you look at the two executions of US citizens, that is also something not touched by your comment. It is not good to try to describe e. g. ICE without also mentioning the negative sides, such as them having shot dead at the least two US citizens already for no justifiable reason.
- account42 9mo ago
  > for no justifiable reason How about we wait for the courts to come to a conclusion on that instead of making assumptions based on agenda-driven outrage media?
mcv 9mo ago
This narrative has been debunked many times already. Legal residents, even citizens, have been arrested, deported, or shot. And people get denied entry based on social media posts. Your comment is way off base and severely detached from reality. If the US criminal "justice" system arrests people suspected of crimes, why are the criminals running the country while innocents get locked up?

viraptor 9mo ago

> Those people were people who previously made the decision to illegally immigrate to the US. There are no limits here and there many publicly available proofs of people getting harassed and detained regardless of legal status and deported contrary to court rulings that apply to their situation. You don't need to repeat the current ICE/DOJ lies - they can speak for themselves.

pb7 9mo ago
You should consider how allowing millions of illegal immigrants impacts legal residents next time you vote then.
- userbinator 9mo ago
  The legal immigrants have it the worst --- they're the ones who got in legitimately, that already being a struggle as it is, only to be cheated by all the ones who didn't.
  - nozzlegear 9mo ago
    What does it mean to be "cheated by all the ones who didn't"? Their ire, if it's a real thing, is directed at the wrong people. They should direct it at the ones who made becoming an American citizen a long, drawn-out bureaucratic process, not their fellow immigrants who came to the US seeking a better life through hard work. As a true blue and red-blooded American, I'd vote a hundred times to make it as simple for those people to become an American citizen as it was for my forefathers, who only had to hop on a boat over in Europe and not shit themselves to death before they got here.
    - pb7 9mo ago
      >They should direct it at the ones who made becoming an American citizen a long, drawn-out bureaucratic process, not their fellow immigrants who came to the US seeking a better life through hard work. No one is entitled to come to the US. We are not the world's soup kitchen. You follow the process we the people have decided or you go somewhere else. Period. You alone don't get to decide this, these laws were passed by a democratically elected Congress.
      - nozzlegear 9mo ago
        > No one is entitled to come to the US. We are not the world's soup kitchen. You follow the process we the people have decided or you go somewhere else. Period. I strongly disagree. Everyone is entitled to come to the US, and we should welcome them with open arms. Immigrants built this country and immigrants make it better, whether they're highly qualified programmers and doctors, or refugees from "shithole countries" who had to bribe their way across the border and now work on a dairy. All are welcome! Though please spare me your inevitable "have you let them into your home?!" bullshit, it's a tired argument. > You alone don't get to decide this, these laws were passed by a democratically elected Congress. "Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'an unjust law is no law at all.'" — Martin Luther King Jr. “The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think right.” — Henry David Thoreau “Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.” — Henry David Thoreau "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" — The poem engraved on the plaque in the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty
        userbinator 8mo ago
        Though please spare me your inevitable "have you let them into your home?!" bullshit, it's a tired argument. You are the one who's spouting bullshit, and alongside the usual deliberate confusion of legal immigrants with illegal ones. We don't need any more of the latter, especially the ones who commit violent crimes and are otherwise a threat to society.
  - int_19h 9mo ago
    Hi, I'm a legal immigrant. I've seen what scum ICE and CBP are a long time before the current brouhaha. I hope they are in a world of hurt after Trump is kicked out.
- viraptor 9mo ago
  This has nothing to do with the treatment of the current people residing in the US by ICE, regardless of status.
- ericjmorey 9mo ago
  You should reconsider it.
- shevy-java 9mo ago
  You would have to include ALL actions, including ICE troopers shooting dead US citizens too. You can not merely confine it to "this is what they do in theory"; you need to look at what they do in practice.
- nozzlegear 9mo ago
  I have considered it, which is why I'm voting blue.

deaux 9mo ago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/09/irish-man-se... No they weren't.

pb7 9mo ago
Did you even read the article? He entered the country on a tourist visa and never left. That is entering the country illegally. Getting married and applying for adjustment of status does not give him legal status. He should rightfully be deported. Every story is like this without fail.
- ericjmorey 9mo ago
  You just said that he entered legally. Then you said the opposite.
  - account42 9mo ago
    You do understand that visas have terms and limited durations, right?
  - pb7 9mo ago
    Entering on a tourist visa with intent to stay is illegal. Do you know what the word tourist means?
- dboreham 9mo ago
  Except most US voters disagree with you. Someone married to a US citizen does have residency rights, notwithstanding the paperwork quirk that you're supposed to exit and re-enter, which typically involves flying somewhere going to the US embassy to get a stamp and flying back. So just as most people don't support the death penalty for speeding, most people don't support criminal deportation for someone who has the right to be in the US but for whatever reason (perhaps lack of money or perhaps fear of strip searching and disappearing to the gulag) didn't follow the proper process. Because most voters don't see this situation as a crime and certainly not one requiring deportation, the law doesn't treat this situation as a serious crime, or actually a crime at all. If you want to aggressively going after folks who have skirted immigration rules perhaps the place to begin is in the east wing (if it still existed).

shevy-java 9mo ago

That assumes that e. g. ICE were only involved against people who have broken the law. First and foremost - this is not the case. Second: when you look at the two executions of US citizens, that is also something not touched by your comment. It is not good to try to describe e. g. ICE without also mentioning the negative sides, such as them having shot dead at the least two US citizens already for no justifiable reason.

account42 9mo ago
> for no justifiable reason How about we wait for the courts to come to a conclusion on that instead of making assumptions based on agenda-driven outrage media?

mcv 9mo ago

This narrative has been debunked many times already. Legal residents, even citizens, have been arrested, deported, or shot. And people get denied entry based on social media posts. Your comment is way off base and severely detached from reality. If the US criminal "justice" system arrests people suspected of crimes, why are the criminals running the country while innocents get locked up?