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> walk with their passport so they are not sent to jail No, it's broken because we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and h

by PKop 8mo ago

> walk with their passport so they are not sent to jail No, it's broken because we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and housing costs. Checking that people here actually belong here else they're deported is part of the "cost of living" solution, in addition to crime.

skulk 8mo ago
> No, it's broken because we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and housing costs. The idea that deporting every undocumented person will reduce the bloat and profit extraction in our health care system is making me giggle. And do you really think checking every person is a strategy that scales? Why not just indiscriminately jail the people who hire them and thereby create a strong incentive to come? Maybe those workers actually belong here more than you'd like to admit, but the powers that be enjoy keeping their status uncertain to use as a piñata they can beat whenever they need political candy.
- PKop 8mo ago
  >Why not just indiscriminately jail the people who hire them and thereby create a strong incentive to come? We definitely should do this, yes.
dtauzell 8mo ago
I think overall immigration is a net benefit: https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023 https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-g...
- pstuart 8mo ago
  You beat me to it. Here's another report by that woke Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-system-broken-short-list-problems https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-system-broke...
  - PKop 8mo ago
    For one thing that document argues that one of the single greatest costs to citizens of immigration is somehow a benefit: increased housing costs. They talk of higher property tax collections from increased home values, this is just another way to say immigration is increasing housing costs and taxes for native population. The Federal Reserve confirmed this a couple years ago that housing inflation was in part due to a large increase in immigrant population over last few years.
- PKop 8mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46968194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46968194
queenkjuul 8mo ago
Get a load a this guy, he thinks immigrants invented private health insurance
burnt-resistor 8mo ago
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robocat 8mo ago
> we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and housing costs They also raise your GDP by a lot more than they cost. Australia and New Zealand have about 30% foreign born population, and we do fine. Maybe add 100 million more people into the US before you would have problems that get difficult. The biggest cost of healthcare is staff, and a lot of the staff here come from overseas so it's kinda self-sustaining (in the short term). The biggest cost of housing is people whinging and whining about it. NZ and AU does build plenty of housing (land isn't a constraint). Many people in the building industry were born overseas. It isn't all rainbows, but it mostly works for us. The US has about 290 million native-born citizens and 25 million naturalized citizens. It has maybe 15 million unauthorized immigrants (of which approx 80% are of working age). One should always compare population densities, rather than absolute numbers.
- PKop 8mo ago
  Foreigners competing for jobs and housing stock and territory is bad for current citizens. Add to it the political effect of shifting the politics away from national and citizen interests and towards more support for foreigner interests, and it's worse. The net fiscal impact from the cohort of immigrants we get now is negative; they cost taxpayers more than they contribute. They take more from welfare and social services than than they pay in and more than current citizens. Additionally there is increased crime. There are so many of these that are not adding any economic benefit period, and for those that do, that benefit accrues to a small subset of business owners and politicians, not the general population of citizens. H1B expansion of foreign worker visas for example is bad for displaced American workers. The mindset that considers their own fellow citizens lacking such that they want to replace them with foreigners is insane to me. None of these western countries needs something such that they must get it from others; they can cultivate all of this from their own people, and birthrates would increase if not for the crowding out through increased costs especially housing, insurance, and depressed wages from importation of immigrants. When I drive on the roads, when I shop for housing or apartments, when I want to pay for car insurance, when I got public spaces, parks, cities, vacation spots, got to stores.... I've never ever had the thought "You know what would make my quality of life better? If we had 100 million more people especially those that come from a different culture and speak a different language here and everywhere else right now". That is such a ridiculously foolish mindset, and disservice to one's own neighbors and such. Makes no sense to me.

by PKop 8mo ago

skulk 8mo ago

> No, it's broken because we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and housing costs. The idea that deporting every undocumented person will reduce the bloat and profit extraction in our health care system is making me giggle. And do you really think checking every person is a strategy that scales? Why not just indiscriminately jail the people who hire them and thereby create a strong incentive to come? Maybe those workers actually belong here more than you'd like to admit, but the powers that be enjoy keeping their status uncertain to use as a piñata they can beat whenever they need political candy.

PKop 8mo ago
>Why not just indiscriminately jail the people who hire them and thereby create a strong incentive to come? We definitely should do this, yes.

dtauzell 8mo ago

I think overall immigration is a net benefit: https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023 https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-g...

pstuart 8mo ago
You beat me to it. Here's another report by that woke Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-system-broken-short-list-problems https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-immigration-system-broke...
- PKop 8mo ago
  For one thing that document argues that one of the single greatest costs to citizens of immigration is somehow a benefit: increased housing costs. They talk of higher property tax collections from increased home values, this is just another way to say immigration is increasing housing costs and taxes for native population. The Federal Reserve confirmed this a couple years ago that housing inflation was in part due to a large increase in immigrant population over last few years.
PKop 8mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46968194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46968194

queenkjuul 8mo ago

Get a load a this guy, he thinks immigrants invented private health insurance

burnt-resistor 8mo ago

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robocat 8mo ago

> we've allowed millions of foreigners to come in and raise said healthcare and housing costs They also raise your GDP by a lot more than they cost. Australia and New Zealand have about 30% foreign born population, and we do fine. Maybe add 100 million more people into the US before you would have problems that get difficult. The biggest cost of healthcare is staff, and a lot of the staff here come from overseas so it's kinda self-sustaining (in the short term). The biggest cost of housing is people whinging and whining about it. NZ and AU does build plenty of housing (land isn't a constraint). Many people in the building industry were born overseas. It isn't all rainbows, but it mostly works for us. The US has about 290 million native-born citizens and 25 million naturalized citizens. It has maybe 15 million unauthorized immigrants (of which approx 80% are of working age). One should always compare population densities, rather than absolute numbers.

PKop 8mo ago
Foreigners competing for jobs and housing stock and territory is bad for current citizens. Add to it the political effect of shifting the politics away from national and citizen interests and towards more support for foreigner interests, and it's worse. The net fiscal impact from the cohort of immigrants we get now is negative; they cost taxpayers more than they contribute. They take more from welfare and social services than than they pay in and more than current citizens. Additionally there is increased crime. There are so many of these that are not adding any economic benefit period, and for those that do, that benefit accrues to a small subset of business owners and politicians, not the general population of citizens. H1B expansion of foreign worker visas for example is bad for displaced American workers. The mindset that considers their own fellow citizens lacking such that they want to replace them with foreigners is insane to me. None of these western countries needs something such that they must get it from others; they can cultivate all of this from their own people, and birthrates would increase if not for the crowding out through increased costs especially housing, insurance, and depressed wages from importation of immigrants. When I drive on the roads, when I shop for housing or apartments, when I want to pay for car insurance, when I got public spaces, parks, cities, vacation spots, got to stores.... I've never ever had the thought "You know what would make my quality of life better? If we had 100 million more people especially those that come from a different culture and speak a different language here and everywhere else right now". That is such a ridiculously foolish mindset, and disservice to one's own neighbors and such. Makes no sense to me.