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The solution for this is to install the self-hosted Zulip as a PWA, but unfortunately they don't support web push.

caconym_ 9mo ago
Yeah. This is exactly my worry: as soon as solutions to technical problems like this start going in the direction of "we'll offer a monolithic solution and charge users for access to it" instead of "we'll make it as generic as possible even if the alternatives for now are flawed", it makes me wonder about the long term trajectory of the project. I don't mean to cast aspersions on the developers—I respect everybody's right to try to get paid for good work, and this looks like good work. I am just not convinced it's the right option for my specific needs.
- ameliaquining 9mo ago
  What would "as generic as possible" look like in practice?
  - caconym_ 9mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46954896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46954896
- crabmusket 9mo ago
  I think it's right to worry about this. However, the Zulip project has a long (10 year?) history and track record with a stable team.
- tabbott 9mo ago
  Can someone explain to me why we should do engineering work to build features where the stated objective is to help corporations use our product without paying for it? Remember, self-hosted mobile push notifications already have a free community plan! I can't say whether Zulip might be a fit for your needs. But you can always email our lovely sales/support team. https://zulip.com/help/self-hosted-billing#paid-plan-discounts https://zulip.com/help/self-hosted-billing#paid-plan-discoun... should give you a sense of our policies.
  - caconym_ 9mo ago
    > Can someone explain to me why we should do engineering work to build features where the stated objective is to help corporations use our product without paying for it? I'm not sure what you mean by this. I am looking for a replacement for Discord for my small community of friends, and before today I had never heard of Zulip and knew nothing about its pricing or policies or history.
  - account42 9mo ago
    > our product It's either your product first or an open source project first. If you care more about having a marketable product then it's fair for people who care about open source to go elsewhere.
- aragilar 9mo ago
  It's not a technical problem, it's a policy problem from the mobile vendors. You'd basically be paying them to deal with Apple's and Google's messaging infrastructure through their (zulip's) infrastructure.

Yeah. This is exactly my worry: as soon as solutions to technical problems like this start going in the direction of "we'll offer a monolithic solution and charge users for access to it" instead of "we'll make it as generic as possible even if the alternatives for now are flawed", it makes me wonder about the long term trajectory of the project. I don't mean to cast aspersions on the developers—I respect everybody's right to try to get paid for good work, and this looks like good work. I am just not convinced it's the right option for my specific needs.

ameliaquining 9mo ago
What would "as generic as possible" look like in practice?
- caconym_ 9mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46954896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46954896
crabmusket 9mo ago
I think it's right to worry about this. However, the Zulip project has a long (10 year?) history and track record with a stable team.
tabbott 9mo ago
Can someone explain to me why we should do engineering work to build features where the stated objective is to help corporations use our product without paying for it? Remember, self-hosted mobile push notifications already have a free community plan! I can't say whether Zulip might be a fit for your needs. But you can always email our lovely sales/support team. https://zulip.com/help/self-hosted-billing#paid-plan-discounts https://zulip.com/help/self-hosted-billing#paid-plan-discoun... should give you a sense of our policies.
- caconym_ 9mo ago
  > Can someone explain to me why we should do engineering work to build features where the stated objective is to help corporations use our product without paying for it? I'm not sure what you mean by this. I am looking for a replacement for Discord for my small community of friends, and before today I had never heard of Zulip and knew nothing about its pricing or policies or history.
- account42 9mo ago
  > our product It's either your product first or an open source project first. If you care more about having a marketable product then it's fair for people who care about open source to go elsewhere.
aragilar 9mo ago
It's not a technical problem, it's a policy problem from the mobile vendors. You'd basically be paying them to deal with Apple's and Google's messaging infrastructure through their (zulip's) infrastructure.