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Doubt it. Any sources for that? I am in favor of the flock cameras. Most people tend to behave if they know they are being watched. They have helped reduce cri

by toephu2 8mo ago

Doubt it. Any sources for that? I am in favor of the flock cameras. Most people tend to behave if they know they are being watched. They have helped reduce crime in the cities they've been deployed in.

potatototoo99 8mo ago
That's the good thing about police states, no crime! (except state-sanctioned crimes against humanity of course)
dawnerd 8mo ago
Please cite your source for that. Cities are pulling out of contracts with flock because they lied about who has access to data and there’s been improper access.
- try_the_bass 8mo ago
  You're not really refuting his point. Cities aren't pulling out of Flock contacts because Flock isn't effective at clearing crimes. They're pulling out because Flock has garbage security, lies about who has/had access to the data, and generally argues in bad faith about all of it. These are separate concerns. I think ALPRs with proper access controls, short retention periods, and strict auditing/oversight are a net good. Flock... Not so much.
superkuh 8mo ago
>“Communities rejecting Flock aren’t choosing to be less safe; quite the opposite,” Hamid said. “They are coming to terms with how such a massive, sprawling, and ultimately ungovernable surveillance system puts themselves and their community members at risk.” https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/flock-haters-cross-political-divides-to-remove-error-prone-cameras/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/flock-haters-cro... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_flock.pdf https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_f... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-krishnamoorthi-urge-ftc-to-investigate-surveillance-tech-company-on-negligently-handling-americans-personal-data https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-krish... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/flock-safetys-feature-updates-cannot-make-automated-license-plate-readers-safe https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/flock-safetys-feature-... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/11/human-toll-alpr-errors https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/11/human-toll-alpr-errors https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-cameras-nationwide-for-a-woman-who-got-an-abortion/ https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-c... https://www.404media.co/ice-taps-into-nationwide-ai-enabled-camera-network-data-shows/ https://www.404media.co/ice-taps-into-nationwide-ai-enabled-... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flocks-gunshot-detection-microphones-will-start-listening-human-voices https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flocks-gunshot-detecti... https://denverite.com/2025/10/27/bow-mar-flock-cameras-accusation/ https://denverite.com/2025/10/27/bow-mar-flock-cameras-accus... https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2025/04/02/detroit-settles-lawsuit-license-plate-reader-error-isoke-robinson/82753538007/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2025... https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/doritos-or-gun https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/doritos-or-gun - not flock but a dangerous example of AI surveillance camera false positives risking people's lives. And even with that minimal effort I've already provided about the same quality of sources that Flock corporate does for their claims.

by toephu2 8mo ago

potatototoo99 8mo ago

That's the good thing about police states, no crime! (except state-sanctioned crimes against humanity of course)

dawnerd 8mo ago

Please cite your source for that. Cities are pulling out of contracts with flock because they lied about who has access to data and there’s been improper access.

try_the_bass 8mo ago
You're not really refuting his point. Cities aren't pulling out of Flock contacts because Flock isn't effective at clearing crimes. They're pulling out because Flock has garbage security, lies about who has/had access to the data, and generally argues in bad faith about all of it. These are separate concerns. I think ALPRs with proper access controls, short retention periods, and strict auditing/oversight are a net good. Flock... Not so much.

superkuh 8mo ago

>“Communities rejecting Flock aren’t choosing to be less safe; quite the opposite,” Hamid said. “They are coming to terms with how such a massive, sprawling, and ultimately ungovernable surveillance system puts themselves and their community members at risk.” https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/flock-haters-cross-political-divides-to-remove-error-prone-cameras/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/11/flock-haters-cro... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_flock.pdf https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/wyden_letter_to_f... https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-krishnamoorthi-urge-ftc-to-investigate-surveillance-tech-company-on-negligently-handling-americans-personal-data https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-krish... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/flock-safetys-feature-updates-cannot-make-automated-license-plate-readers-safe https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/06/flock-safetys-feature-... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/11/human-toll-alpr-errors https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/11/human-toll-alpr-errors https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-cameras-nationwide-for-a-woman-who-got-an-abortion/ https://www.404media.co/a-texas-cop-searched-license-plate-c... https://www.404media.co/ice-taps-into-nationwide-ai-enabled-camera-network-data-shows/ https://www.404media.co/ice-taps-into-nationwide-ai-enabled-... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flocks-gunshot-detection-microphones-will-start-listening-human-voices https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/10/flocks-gunshot-detecti... https://denverite.com/2025/10/27/bow-mar-flock-cameras-accusation/ https://denverite.com/2025/10/27/bow-mar-flock-cameras-accus... https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2025/04/02/detroit-settles-lawsuit-license-plate-reader-error-isoke-robinson/82753538007/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2025... https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/doritos-or-gun https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/doritos-or-gun - not flock but a dangerous example of AI surveillance camera false positives risking people's lives. And even with that minimal effort I've already provided about the same quality of sources that Flock corporate does for their claims.