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Ring’s marketing is almost comically wholesome, but as soon as ICE learns that such a thing is possible they will for sure want to use it. This interview with

by dabinat 9mo ago

Ring’s marketing is almost comically wholesome, but as soon as ICE learns that such a thing is possible they will for sure want to use it. This interview with Forbes from a few months ago provides some extra details: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2025/12/05/how-search-party-for-ring-doorbells-introduces-a-ground-breaking-neighborhood-feature/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2025/12/05/how-sear... 1. Apparently what happens is that the AI scans the videos of surrounding cameras and pings the owner to ask if they can share the footage. So no video is shared unless the owner chooses. 2. Ring is indeed working on being able to detect people.

youarentrightjr 9mo ago
> So no video is shared unless the owner chooses. That's all fine and good until we hear "oops, turns out all the customer video feeds were streaming to our cop accessible servers 24/7!". I don't believe Ring's claims (or flock etc etc) for one second.
- beart 9mo ago
  More likely - a quiet update changing opt-in to opt-out. They can repeat this update as many times as they want and each time, a few more people will miss the email. They can also hold your data hostage, i.e. "All data now and historical will be included in our partner sharing unless you delete it all."
- randycupertino 9mo ago
  It's more that police will use it for their own personal inquiries- to track their girlfriends, potential girlfriends etc. This happens enough already with license plate readers: - Sedgwick, Kansas (2024): Former Police Chief Lee Nygaard resigned after it was discovered he used Flock cameras to track his ex-girlfriend and her new partner 228 times over four months, according to The Wichita Eagle and KAKE. - Menasha, Wisconsin (Jan 2026): Officer Cristian Morales was charged with misconduct in office for allegedly using the Flock system to track his ex-girlfriend, WLUK-TV reported. Morales admitted to using the system due to "desperation" and "bad judgment". - Orange City, Florida (2025): Officer Jarmarus Brown was charged with stalking after reportedly running his girlfriend's license plate 69 times, her mother's 24 times, and her brother's 15 times over seven months, the Miami Herald reported. - San Diego, California (2021): Sergeant Mariusz Czas was arrested for stalking his ex-girlfriend using police resources https://fox11online.com/news/crime/menasha-police-officer-accused-of-using-license-plate-recognition-system-to-track-his-ex-girlfriend-cristian-morales-misconduct-in-office-flock-domestic-abuse-restraining-order-cash-bond https://fox11online.com/news/crime/menasha-police-officer-ac... https://local12.com/news/nation-world/police-chief-gets-caught-using-license-plate-cameras-to-track-his-ex-girlfriend-228-times-arrests-charges-probation-flock-safety-follow-stalk-new-boyfriend-broke-up-out-of-town-misuse https://local12.com/news/nation-world/police-chief-gets-caug...
  - try_the_bass 9mo ago
    All of these seem like examples of oversight working, and penalties being applied? We obviously don't know the rate at which abuse like this is detected, but if it's high, this seems like a healthy system working as intended?
  - youarentrightjr 9mo ago
    > It's more that police will use it for their own personal inquiries- to track their girlfriends, potential girlfriends etc. That's far from my biggest concern. Sure, cops stalking people/carrying out personal vendettas is not good. But a little creativity will allow far far greater abuses. Here's one: imagine the current administration deciding they need to debank the great and powerful terrorist organization Antifa. Ring data on protest attendance is a great help in building a list of those rotten domestic terrorists.
citruscomputing 9mo ago
It's already happening. Someone local to me seems to be spray-painting over ring cameras and leaving flyers about the ring-flock-ice connection. I can't say I agree with the methods, but it is sending a message.
- thinkingtoilet 9mo ago
  At this point, I don't mind the methods. Shit is far gone if you're actively enabling the surveillance state, people have a right to fight back. I'm sure this won't go over well here.
  - IMTDb 9mo ago
    I’m not sure destroying other people’s property is the best way to make them sympathetic to your cause. I don’t own a Ring camera (or any similar device), but the idea that someone could spend time unnoticed on my porch, messing with my stuff, right where my daughter likes to play on weekends, makes my skin crawl. If that happened to me, I’d probably just double down on security to be honest. Knowing that some people actually feel it's the right thing to do makes me wonder if I shouldn't start today. To be clear, I have no issue with someone peacefully informing people in their neighborhood about the potential dire consequences of enabling "share images of my doorbell with the government or other private agencies", that's all fine to me. But if you feel the need to impose your views by harassing me about it or by breaking the law to get your point across, you won't get an ally in me.
    - fwip 9mo ago
      Well, they aren't trying to win your sympathies.
    - giraffe_lady 9mo ago
      > you won't get an ally in me. If you're not going to ally with the people fighting the surveillance systems that are currently being used by the secret police to disappear and kill people what does that make you. My cause doesn't need your sympathy it needs to stop this horror. I'm not quite saying "with or against" but you are saying "against."
iAMkenough 9mo ago
Ring's marketing is almost comically wholesome, but what's to stop someone like an abusive ex or stranger trolling my Instagram page from uploading a photo of my dog and tracking our daily walk patterns?
pseudohadamard 9mo ago
"Be a hero by using our survelliance cameras to turn your neighbours in to the Gestapo [X]" just doesn't have the same wholesome ring though even if it's more accurate. [X] I'm referring to Bovino's uniform and ICE here.

by dabinat 9mo ago

youarentrightjr 9mo ago

> So no video is shared unless the owner chooses. That's all fine and good until we hear "oops, turns out all the customer video feeds were streaming to our cop accessible servers 24/7!". I don't believe Ring's claims (or flock etc etc) for one second.

beart 9mo ago
More likely - a quiet update changing opt-in to opt-out. They can repeat this update as many times as they want and each time, a few more people will miss the email. They can also hold your data hostage, i.e. "All data now and historical will be included in our partner sharing unless you delete it all."
randycupertino 9mo ago
It's more that police will use it for their own personal inquiries- to track their girlfriends, potential girlfriends etc. This happens enough already with license plate readers: - Sedgwick, Kansas (2024): Former Police Chief Lee Nygaard resigned after it was discovered he used Flock cameras to track his ex-girlfriend and her new partner 228 times over four months, according to The Wichita Eagle and KAKE. - Menasha, Wisconsin (Jan 2026): Officer Cristian Morales was charged with misconduct in office for allegedly using the Flock system to track his ex-girlfriend, WLUK-TV reported. Morales admitted to using the system due to "desperation" and "bad judgment". - Orange City, Florida (2025): Officer Jarmarus Brown was charged with stalking after reportedly running his girlfriend's license plate 69 times, her mother's 24 times, and her brother's 15 times over seven months, the Miami Herald reported. - San Diego, California (2021): Sergeant Mariusz Czas was arrested for stalking his ex-girlfriend using police resources https://fox11online.com/news/crime/menasha-police-officer-accused-of-using-license-plate-recognition-system-to-track-his-ex-girlfriend-cristian-morales-misconduct-in-office-flock-domestic-abuse-restraining-order-cash-bond https://fox11online.com/news/crime/menasha-police-officer-ac... https://local12.com/news/nation-world/police-chief-gets-caught-using-license-plate-cameras-to-track-his-ex-girlfriend-228-times-arrests-charges-probation-flock-safety-follow-stalk-new-boyfriend-broke-up-out-of-town-misuse https://local12.com/news/nation-world/police-chief-gets-caug...
- try_the_bass 9mo ago
  All of these seem like examples of oversight working, and penalties being applied? We obviously don't know the rate at which abuse like this is detected, but if it's high, this seems like a healthy system working as intended?
- youarentrightjr 9mo ago
  > It's more that police will use it for their own personal inquiries- to track their girlfriends, potential girlfriends etc. That's far from my biggest concern. Sure, cops stalking people/carrying out personal vendettas is not good. But a little creativity will allow far far greater abuses. Here's one: imagine the current administration deciding they need to debank the great and powerful terrorist organization Antifa. Ring data on protest attendance is a great help in building a list of those rotten domestic terrorists.

citruscomputing 9mo ago

It's already happening. Someone local to me seems to be spray-painting over ring cameras and leaving flyers about the ring-flock-ice connection. I can't say I agree with the methods, but it is sending a message.

thinkingtoilet 9mo ago
At this point, I don't mind the methods. Shit is far gone if you're actively enabling the surveillance state, people have a right to fight back. I'm sure this won't go over well here.
- IMTDb 9mo ago
  I’m not sure destroying other people’s property is the best way to make them sympathetic to your cause. I don’t own a Ring camera (or any similar device), but the idea that someone could spend time unnoticed on my porch, messing with my stuff, right where my daughter likes to play on weekends, makes my skin crawl. If that happened to me, I’d probably just double down on security to be honest. Knowing that some people actually feel it's the right thing to do makes me wonder if I shouldn't start today. To be clear, I have no issue with someone peacefully informing people in their neighborhood about the potential dire consequences of enabling "share images of my doorbell with the government or other private agencies", that's all fine to me. But if you feel the need to impose your views by harassing me about it or by breaking the law to get your point across, you won't get an ally in me.
  - fwip 9mo ago
    Well, they aren't trying to win your sympathies.
  - giraffe_lady 9mo ago
    > you won't get an ally in me. If you're not going to ally with the people fighting the surveillance systems that are currently being used by the secret police to disappear and kill people what does that make you. My cause doesn't need your sympathy it needs to stop this horror. I'm not quite saying "with or against" but you are saying "against."

iAMkenough 9mo ago

Ring's marketing is almost comically wholesome, but what's to stop someone like an abusive ex or stranger trolling my Instagram page from uploading a photo of my dog and tracking our daily walk patterns?

pseudohadamard 9mo ago

"Be a hero by using our survelliance cameras to turn your neighbours in to the Gestapo [X]" just doesn't have the same wholesome ring though even if it's more accurate. [X] I'm referring to Bovino's uniform and ICE here.