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2080 hours per year! That's 52 weeks of 40 hours per week. It's also inhuman. Here in Norway we have five weeks of holiday plus various public holidays and o
by ninalanyon 9mo ago
2080 hours per year! That's 52 weeks of 40 hours per week. It's also inhuman.
Here in Norway we have five weeks of holiday plus various public holidays and only 37.5 hours per week adding up to about 1700 hours per year.
- renewiltord 9mo agoYeah, oil nations are different. Norway's resources are well-managed, but oil nations with outsourced defence just have different constraints.
- sva_ 9mo agoIn Germany its somewhere between 1600-1700 hours, and we don't have much oil
- Sadzeih 9mo agoFrance is not an oil nation. We have 35h weeks and 5 weeks of paid vacation as well. Edit: Also, the US is a damn oil nation. It has nothing to do with oil, and everything to do with politics.
- daedrdev 9mo agoFrance has stuck is head in the sand regarding its future finances
- wtcactus 9mo agoYes, and your government takes 57% of the total GDP to themselves, rely on an external power (that’s less and less friendly) for their protection and are on the track to their 6th prime minister in less than 2 years (is it 6th? I’ve lost track) because if they try to increase the retirement age above 62 (in their pay as you go unmaintanable system) people come down to the streets to burn down businesses and destroy public property.
- zozbot234 9mo agoSpain and Portugal were in pretty much the same boat not too long ago and they've started to reform of their own accord. The French will come around once the bond vigilantes start taking a serious look at that whole government deficit+debt situation and unsustainable retirement ages. Of course it will be painful and involve severe austerity measures, but that's what it takes.
- pyrale 9mo ago> your government takes 57% of the total GDP to themselves That's a lot of blackjack and hookers for the ministers, if you really believe that "the government" takes 57% of GDP for "themselves". No wonder we're at out 6th PM, they must fall like flies with the amount of drugs they have to snort in order to siphon this much money.
- Sadzeih 9mo ago> rely on an external power (that’s less and less friendly) for their protection You must not know France very well. We're the most independent nation defense wise in Europe. We build our own stuff, have nuclear subs and carriers. You're talking out of your ass.
- burkaman 9mo agoEvery single nation on Earth has mandatory paid vacation, except for the United States and three tiny islands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_b.... Edit: And looking into it a little, I'm pretty sure two of those islands actually do have mandatory paid leave after a minimum period of employment.
- adam_beck 9mo agoIt would be interesting to know which percentage of full-time jobs in the USA get no paid vacation.
- changoplatanero 9mo agoI don't get what the big deal is about mandatory paid vacation. My view is that your total compensation will be set based on the market value of your labor. Some portion of that compensation is given to you in the form of ordinary wages and some portion in the form of paid vacations. If the government mandated paid vacations would it increase many people's total compensation?
- anticorporate 9mo agoWages and time off are not frictionlessly interchangeable in the vast majority of jobs. Mandating minimum levels for both helps make sure people have access to both.
- sdellis 9mo agoFor a lot of us, work is not our life. Turns out that most people really want a paid vacation. Smart Capitalists know that it's easier to extract value from workers with higher morale. If you would rather trade your paid vacation for an extra week of pay, I am sure you and your boss can work it out. Companies pay out unused vacation all the time. Just don't ruin it for the rest of us!
- marcyb5st 9mo agoIn my European mind (I have 25 mandated days off per year), if there was not a mandatory paid vacation limit two things would happen: 1. Further exploit desperate people since those that don't need to work at any cost would steer clear of jobs that have 0 holidays. 2. You would further penalize people with families where both parents work. It is well understood that if your kid is sick you can't really use your sick days and so must use your PTO days. Having 0 available days doesn't play well with having kids (personal experience). And finally, having mandated PTO allow you to actually take holidays. I heard too many times of companies that offer unlimited PTO and when the employer tries to take some they sabotage him/her or plainly threaten his/her job security.
- hybrid_study 9mo agoI’m not sure that’s the key factor. Resource wealth helps, but it doesn’t automatically translate into shorter workweeks or generous leave. Countries with far fewer natural resources—such as Germany, the Netherlands, or Denmark—still manage shorter working hours, strong labor protections, and substantial paid vacation. Those outcomes depend much more on labor policy, bargaining power, and what governments choose to protect. In many places, business pressure and media framing make long hours seem unavoidable, even though they’re ultimately the result of policy choices.
- usrnm 9mo ago> Countries with far fewer natural resources—such as Germany, the Netherlands Where do you think the term "Dutch disease" came from?
- lawn 9mo agoThe other Nordic countries don't have oil riches and manages just fine.
- 0xbadcafebee 9mo agoUrban workers in China do 3,744 hours per year; farmers do 2400 hours Norwegian workers do 1,418 hours per year, one of the lowest in the world
- racl101 9mo ago3744 hours. Dayum! Just going off basic numbers: - 3744/52/5 = 14.4 hour day if they work 5 days a week - 3744/52/6 = 12 hrs if they work 6 days a week - 3744/52/7 = 10.3 hrs if they work 7 days a week.
- beambot 9mo agoThat is, indeed, what 9-9-6 means: 9am-9pm (12hrs) * 6 days per week.
- kevinyang222 9mo ago9-9-6 is also not full productivity for 9-9-6. Office workers will eat lunch, take a 1-2hr nap in the afternoon, and also eat dinner with their coworkers within the common 9-9-6 rhythm. It still takes a significant chunk of time, but the actual working time butt-in-chair is closer to 54 hours
- hackable_sand 9mo agoYou lose productivity doing 996 anyways so how can you maximize past that?
- pyrale 9mo ago> Urban workers in China do 3,744 hours per year For reference, that's 10:15 per day, 365 days a year. Or 996 without vacations, if you intend to have one day off. 996 has never been a standard work duration for urban workers in China, aside from some tech companies that promoted performative work ethics. And even there, people do take vacations.
- chasd00 9mo agoI think they just do that to get to an hourly rate. It’s probably better to look at the annual income and think of that number regardless of how many hours you worked during the year.
- djoldman 9mo agoLucky for the Norwegians that they have their sovereign wealth fund, started and significantly maintained by gas and oil reserves. 20-25% of total Norwegian government spending comes from the fund.
- deedubaya 9mo agoThat’s 2080 paid hours per year. Inclusive of paid time off, holidays, etc.