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I think this decision is more defensive than "losing touch with their customers." The winds are shifting in other countries that are cracking down on social med

by marcd35 8mo ago

I think this decision is more defensive than "losing touch with their customers." The winds are shifting in other countries that are cracking down on social media use for children. Discord does not want to get caught in the shit storm of legal issues if they fail to comply. This is a proactive measure.

Aerroon 8mo ago
Yeah, this really seems like it's our politicians screwing us. The older I get the more harmful politicians seem to be.
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  If you're in a democracy, that's the call to pay attention and vote in helpful representatives.
  - Aerroon 8mo ago
    There are no helpful representatives is the problem. It doesn't matter who you vote for, because they're all just varying degrees of bad. There isn't a single politician I could vote for that could improve this situation. Even if there was, they would just get swept away by the ocean of people who actually believe in this "think of the children" narrative.
    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      If that's the case, you need to grow the representatives you want. Many of the people voted into mayor or governor didn't pop up out of the ether. They were working in local boards or as comptrollers or even business owners. That's why local elections are so important, despite the dreadfully low turnout.
      - Aerroon 8mo ago
        A mayor or governor can't change these things though. That's part of the problem since I'm in the EU. It's irrelevant what representatives in my country want because they're too small of a minority. But even among those representatives there's nobody that actually cares about issues like this. >That's why local elections are so important, despite the dreadfully low turnout. Local elections here are about parties, not candidates. You can give your vote to Jim, but it's counted as a vote for Jim's party instead. The party picks whomever was their #1 candidate for the locality.
  - gentleman11 8mo ago
    Youre joking, right? Nobody i have ever voted for has won anything
nemomarx 8mo ago
This is the real issue, and it's why just cancelling your discord subs and moving to stoat or etc isn't a solid long-term strategy. If KOSA passes in the us basically every platform will have to do something like this.
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  That's a big if. And yes, if push comes to shove I guess I'll become a forum pirate. I won't tie my real ID up in anymore private servers than absolutely necessary (which as of now is governmental entities and banks, a highly regulated sector).
  - nemomarx 8mo ago
    I don't think it's that big of an if anymore - there's worldwide pressure and interest groups to get some kind of age check on all these companies, at least. Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least
    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      There's always been pressure. People have been fighting for decades on this. The only thing that's changed is how they've tried to disenfranchise dissent. There still is push back, so I won't say this is a losing battle. I'll keep fighting regardless. >Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least They know where to reach me. Whether they care enough to go outside their gardens to talk is another matter.
- areoform 8mo ago
  Multi-billion dollar corporations have never had any problems lobbying for their interests before. Perhaps collecting everyone's messages, social links, scanning their faces, and then adding ID data in for "ground truth" is the real interest here?
  - nemomarx 8mo ago
    They were already collecting everyone's messages and social links, and would still be doing it without this. But I'm not sure if the age verification / ID collection is really as useful for advertising compared to just being able to read all of your chats, right?
areoform 8mo ago
> this decision is more defensive That is prioritizing internal politics over the realities of their product. The Discord userbase is young. And it serves a variety of use cases / the same account can be used to access open source communities, coordinate video game time with friends, interact professionally, and have a supercharged group chat for close IRL friends. In other words, Discord is the app where maladjusted early 20-something leaked classified data to impress his teenage friends. https://www.washingtonpost.com/discord-leaks/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/discord-leaks/ Any decision that isn't along the Apple's hard privacy stance lines, "we'll protect user privacy" is prioritizing the discomfort of that decision over the user base / use case.
- raincole 8mo ago
  It's not 'internal politics,' what are you talking about. It's the politics in our real world. UK gov is requiring ID verification for adult sites. France gov is calling a social media ban for teenagers. We're talking about elected European governments here. It's not like Discord shareholders just woke up this morning and decided to make themselves poor. Switching to another centralized service won't do shit as long as voters keep falling for 'protect the kids.'
Morromist 8mo ago
I think this is about "losing touch with their customers" and the need to IPO and make money from the customers. The thing is, most of discords users are in countries which haven't yet passed laws that ban children from using apps like discord. If they were privacy focused they could do this only where the law requires it, like Australia.

by marcd35 8mo ago

Aerroon 8mo ago

Yeah, this really seems like it's our politicians screwing us. The older I get the more harmful politicians seem to be.

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
If you're in a democracy, that's the call to pay attention and vote in helpful representatives.
- Aerroon 8mo ago
  There are no helpful representatives is the problem. It doesn't matter who you vote for, because they're all just varying degrees of bad. There isn't a single politician I could vote for that could improve this situation. Even if there was, they would just get swept away by the ocean of people who actually believe in this "think of the children" narrative.
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    If that's the case, you need to grow the representatives you want. Many of the people voted into mayor or governor didn't pop up out of the ether. They were working in local boards or as comptrollers or even business owners. That's why local elections are so important, despite the dreadfully low turnout.
    - Aerroon 8mo ago
      A mayor or governor can't change these things though. That's part of the problem since I'm in the EU. It's irrelevant what representatives in my country want because they're too small of a minority. But even among those representatives there's nobody that actually cares about issues like this. >That's why local elections are so important, despite the dreadfully low turnout. Local elections here are about parties, not candidates. You can give your vote to Jim, but it's counted as a vote for Jim's party instead. The party picks whomever was their #1 candidate for the locality.
- gentleman11 8mo ago
  Youre joking, right? Nobody i have ever voted for has won anything

nemomarx 8mo ago

This is the real issue, and it's why just cancelling your discord subs and moving to stoat or etc isn't a solid long-term strategy. If KOSA passes in the us basically every platform will have to do something like this.

johnnyanmac 8mo ago
That's a big if. And yes, if push comes to shove I guess I'll become a forum pirate. I won't tie my real ID up in anymore private servers than absolutely necessary (which as of now is governmental entities and banks, a highly regulated sector).
- nemomarx 8mo ago
  I don't think it's that big of an if anymore - there's worldwide pressure and interest groups to get some kind of age check on all these companies, at least. Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    There's always been pressure. People have been fighting for decades on this. The only thing that's changed is how they've tried to disenfranchise dissent. There still is push back, so I won't say this is a losing battle. I'll keep fighting regardless. >Keep some alternate contacts for friends at least They know where to reach me. Whether they care enough to go outside their gardens to talk is another matter.
areoform 8mo ago
Multi-billion dollar corporations have never had any problems lobbying for their interests before. Perhaps collecting everyone's messages, social links, scanning their faces, and then adding ID data in for "ground truth" is the real interest here?
- nemomarx 8mo ago
  They were already collecting everyone's messages and social links, and would still be doing it without this. But I'm not sure if the age verification / ID collection is really as useful for advertising compared to just being able to read all of your chats, right?

areoform 8mo ago

> this decision is more defensive That is prioritizing internal politics over the realities of their product. The Discord userbase is young. And it serves a variety of use cases / the same account can be used to access open source communities, coordinate video game time with friends, interact professionally, and have a supercharged group chat for close IRL friends. In other words, Discord is the app where maladjusted early 20-something leaked classified data to impress his teenage friends. https://www.washingtonpost.com/discord-leaks/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/discord-leaks/ Any decision that isn't along the Apple's hard privacy stance lines, "we'll protect user privacy" is prioritizing the discomfort of that decision over the user base / use case.

raincole 8mo ago
It's not 'internal politics,' what are you talking about. It's the politics in our real world. UK gov is requiring ID verification for adult sites. France gov is calling a social media ban for teenagers. We're talking about elected European governments here. It's not like Discord shareholders just woke up this morning and decided to make themselves poor. Switching to another centralized service won't do shit as long as voters keep falling for 'protect the kids.'

Morromist 8mo ago

I think this is about "losing touch with their customers" and the need to IPO and make money from the customers. The thing is, most of discords users are in countries which haven't yet passed laws that ban children from using apps like discord. If they were privacy focused they could do this only where the law requires it, like Australia.