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I think this will be the kneejerk reaction of many, but then you'll have to face the consequences (de facto social isolation) and probably acquiesce. I had the

I think this will be the kneejerk reaction of many, but then you'll have to face the consequences (de facto social isolation) and probably acquiesce. I had the same reaction when platforms started asking for my cellphone number... after some years I just started giving it to them. Now I don't even think about it.

sneak 8mo ago
I don’t sign up for those accounts, and I change my mobile number every 90 days.
- titaniumtown 8mo ago
  Every 90 days? Wow. Can you elaborate on how that logically works? Like what about for doctors offices having your number on file and other similar situations.
  - boca_honey 8mo ago
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    - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
      People in my country are being shot on the streets by the government. Let's not pretend that there are not in fact malicious actors out there who want you hurt for their amusement. You're free to make your own choices on life, but I don't like you chastising others' lived experiences as if everyone has a cushy safe life with a government working for them.
      - boca_honey 8mo ago
        People in my country are being beheaded for not paying extorsion fees from the narcos. What does that have to do? And believe me, guys over here don't use or care for your face ID. You are cherry picking a political cause and overreacting for social currency. And even if you're not and I'm wrong... You don't get to talk about cushy lifes, amigo.
    - sneak 8mo ago
      I have a lot of medical records, in three different countries. All in the same name, which is the name on my passport and birth certificate and TSA precheck. I’m not exactly sure where you went off the rails here. Phone numbers and email addresses are used by data brokers and apps to track you across different accounts, services, and devices.
  - sneak 8mo ago
    My doctor’s office has my email and knows to use it. Half of the time I’m not even in the country where that phone number works. I just buy 90 day prepaid SIM cards. At the end of the 90 days I’m usually in another country. My Google Voice number is sufficient for authing to Signal, but I don’t give it out to vendors/services or use it for phone calls. I never receive any voice calls to my SIM card itself. Anyone who would want to call me knows to reach me on Signal. Anyone else, I don’t need to speak to them. Most of the time my voice conversations are in Google Meet calls, anyway. It’s almost always for clients who don’t like to type and would prefer to be synchronous instead of using their device’s built in dictation software.
jesse_dot_id 8mo ago
Your solution is subservience.
- boca_honey 8mo ago
  Read again, I never said it was a solution. I said I don't care.
  - drzaiusx11 8mo ago
    Acquiescence is your solution whether you care or not. Your feelings are irrelevant to the matter. It's a binary decision in the end, you either play ball or walk out.
    - boca_honey 8mo ago
      A solution implies a problem. I don't have a problem with this.
      - drzaiusx11 8mo ago
        Like I said your opinion doesn't matter in this, it's your actions which matter. Whether see the actual problem or not is immaterial.
        boca_honey 8mo ago
        You clearly don't understand how this works. Social problems are not objective, like math problems. A lack of family support, for example, is something that many people label as a problem... but a lot of people just build strong social networks outside of their family and really don't care when someone says "family first!". That's what I think about the cries around a lack of privacy. I know I somehow ended up in a forum full of IT people and that might my problem, but: People are not software. You don't get to flag something as "problematic" on other people. Deal with it and move on.
lpcvoid 8mo ago
Then you decided to cave in and forego your privacy. Don't assume others will falter in the same fashion.
- boca_honey 8mo ago
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  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    >Too many hacker movies, dude. Too much fascism. They've used these relinquishes to build a database of people to go after based om race or political affiliation. Maybe they still will get me. But I'm not making it that easy for them.
kyboren 8mo ago
"I used to resist the boot, too. Then I was successfully conditioned by the environment that's been engineered around me. Now I just lick it subconsciously."
- boca_honey 8mo ago
  I also thought like you when I was in my 20's. However... the addolescent need to "rise up" is the first thing to go when you actually start a family and develop a well balanced social network. If you play your cards right, soon enough, you won't care about all this.
  - ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
    I'm 45. My friend, I still resist licking the boot. Stop believing that your experience is somehow more universal. I have a rich social network, I have a family, and now more than any time in my life do I think it's important to resist. Stop saying you'll get less radical as you age, it's just not the axiom you think it is.
  - seanw444 8mo ago
    I have a spouse and kids. I still stick to my guns. Both literally and figuratively. Speak for yourself.
  - drzaiusx11 8mo ago
    I sincerely hope you are merely goading folks on and don't actually believe the words you speak.
  - drzaiusx11 8mo ago
    If anything I'm more 'radical' pushing 50 than I was at 20. That "everyone gets more conservative as you age" adage is not universal. For me I was 'radicalized' by raising children to adulthood and seeing the broken world we're leaving to them. Living in the US, my eldest daughter has less rights than her mother did growing up. Capitulating to the demands of fascists is not the way to a better future. Complacency has a high cost, regardless of whether it affects you personally.
johnnyanmac 8mo ago
>but then you'll have to face the consequences (de facto social isolation) and probably acquiesce. Nah I'm used to being lonely. Leaving these platforms shows how few truly deep friendships you have. You get used to it. >I had the same reaction when platforms started asking for my cellphone number... after some years I just started giving it to them. Even when I gave Facebook my number, that wasn't enough. I drew a line at some point. If everyone else wants to sacrifice privacy for the sake of pseudo-community, so be it.
drzaiusx11 8mo ago
Then you and I are not the same. If a platform asks for more than I'm willing to give it, it's time to leave. I've done this enough times that it's simply routine. If it means I suffer "defacto social isolation", whatever that is, so beit. I'm old and I've cultivated a group of close nit friends that live nearby most of the year, we'll manage just fine without discord.
- boca_honey 8mo ago
  I don't socialize on Discord, I use it for work. That's why I don't care. I said that from the perspective of the people that are crying about Discord's move. The weird thing is that you give your personal info, including your biometrics, to your government and your bank. You probably weren't thrilled when they asked you for your finger prints but eventually you gave them anyway because the alternative was not having a bank account. Everybody folds in the end. What makes you think "corporations bad" but it's OK if governments and bankers do it? They're just as malicious and incompetent. This is like being afraid to fly when you drive every day which is 200 times more dangerous.

sneak 8mo ago

I don’t sign up for those accounts, and I change my mobile number every 90 days.

titaniumtown 8mo ago
Every 90 days? Wow. Can you elaborate on how that logically works? Like what about for doctors offices having your number on file and other similar situations.
- boca_honey 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    People in my country are being shot on the streets by the government. Let's not pretend that there are not in fact malicious actors out there who want you hurt for their amusement. You're free to make your own choices on life, but I don't like you chastising others' lived experiences as if everyone has a cushy safe life with a government working for them.
    - boca_honey 8mo ago
      People in my country are being beheaded for not paying extorsion fees from the narcos. What does that have to do? And believe me, guys over here don't use or care for your face ID. You are cherry picking a political cause and overreacting for social currency. And even if you're not and I'm wrong... You don't get to talk about cushy lifes, amigo.
  - sneak 8mo ago
    I have a lot of medical records, in three different countries. All in the same name, which is the name on my passport and birth certificate and TSA precheck. I’m not exactly sure where you went off the rails here. Phone numbers and email addresses are used by data brokers and apps to track you across different accounts, services, and devices.
- sneak 8mo ago
  My doctor’s office has my email and knows to use it. Half of the time I’m not even in the country where that phone number works. I just buy 90 day prepaid SIM cards. At the end of the 90 days I’m usually in another country. My Google Voice number is sufficient for authing to Signal, but I don’t give it out to vendors/services or use it for phone calls. I never receive any voice calls to my SIM card itself. Anyone who would want to call me knows to reach me on Signal. Anyone else, I don’t need to speak to them. Most of the time my voice conversations are in Google Meet calls, anyway. It’s almost always for clients who don’t like to type and would prefer to be synchronous instead of using their device’s built in dictation software.

jesse_dot_id 8mo ago

Your solution is subservience.

boca_honey 8mo ago
Read again, I never said it was a solution. I said I don't care.
- drzaiusx11 8mo ago
  Acquiescence is your solution whether you care or not. Your feelings are irrelevant to the matter. It's a binary decision in the end, you either play ball or walk out.
  - boca_honey 8mo ago
    A solution implies a problem. I don't have a problem with this.
    - drzaiusx11 8mo ago
      Like I said your opinion doesn't matter in this, it's your actions which matter. Whether see the actual problem or not is immaterial.
      - boca_honey 8mo ago
        You clearly don't understand how this works. Social problems are not objective, like math problems. A lack of family support, for example, is something that many people label as a problem... but a lot of people just build strong social networks outside of their family and really don't care when someone says "family first!". That's what I think about the cries around a lack of privacy. I know I somehow ended up in a forum full of IT people and that might my problem, but: People are not software. You don't get to flag something as "problematic" on other people. Deal with it and move on.

lpcvoid 8mo ago

Then you decided to cave in and forego your privacy. Don't assume others will falter in the same fashion.

boca_honey 8mo ago
[flagged]
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  >Too many hacker movies, dude. Too much fascism. They've used these relinquishes to build a database of people to go after based om race or political affiliation. Maybe they still will get me. But I'm not making it that easy for them.

kyboren 8mo ago

"I used to resist the boot, too. Then I was successfully conditioned by the environment that's been engineered around me. Now I just lick it subconsciously."

boca_honey 8mo ago
I also thought like you when I was in my 20's. However... the addolescent need to "rise up" is the first thing to go when you actually start a family and develop a well balanced social network. If you play your cards right, soon enough, you won't care about all this.
- ahhhhnoooo 8mo ago
  I'm 45. My friend, I still resist licking the boot. Stop believing that your experience is somehow more universal. I have a rich social network, I have a family, and now more than any time in my life do I think it's important to resist. Stop saying you'll get less radical as you age, it's just not the axiom you think it is.
- seanw444 8mo ago
  I have a spouse and kids. I still stick to my guns. Both literally and figuratively. Speak for yourself.
- drzaiusx11 8mo ago
  I sincerely hope you are merely goading folks on and don't actually believe the words you speak.
- drzaiusx11 8mo ago
  If anything I'm more 'radical' pushing 50 than I was at 20. That "everyone gets more conservative as you age" adage is not universal. For me I was 'radicalized' by raising children to adulthood and seeing the broken world we're leaving to them. Living in the US, my eldest daughter has less rights than her mother did growing up. Capitulating to the demands of fascists is not the way to a better future. Complacency has a high cost, regardless of whether it affects you personally.

johnnyanmac 8mo ago

>but then you'll have to face the consequences (de facto social isolation) and probably acquiesce. Nah I'm used to being lonely. Leaving these platforms shows how few truly deep friendships you have. You get used to it. >I had the same reaction when platforms started asking for my cellphone number... after some years I just started giving it to them. Even when I gave Facebook my number, that wasn't enough. I drew a line at some point. If everyone else wants to sacrifice privacy for the sake of pseudo-community, so be it.

drzaiusx11 8mo ago

Then you and I are not the same. If a platform asks for more than I'm willing to give it, it's time to leave. I've done this enough times that it's simply routine. If it means I suffer "defacto social isolation", whatever that is, so beit. I'm old and I've cultivated a group of close nit friends that live nearby most of the year, we'll manage just fine without discord.

boca_honey 8mo ago
I don't socialize on Discord, I use it for work. That's why I don't care. I said that from the perspective of the people that are crying about Discord's move. The weird thing is that you give your personal info, including your biometrics, to your government and your bank. You probably weren't thrilled when they asked you for your finger prints but eventually you gave them anyway because the alternative was not having a bank account. Everybody folds in the end. What makes you think "corporations bad" but it's OK if governments and bankers do it? They're just as malicious and incompetent. This is like being afraid to fly when you drive every day which is 200 times more dangerous.