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The competitor also having ads. I know Anthropic made these ads about not having ads but Apple also made ads about thinking different, yet once they became suc

The competitor also having ads. I know Anthropic made these ads about not having ads but Apple also made ads about thinking different, yet once they became successful they ended up thinking the same as every other business. And once upon a time, Google did not do evil.

simianwords 8mo ago
just go to openrouter and there are openweight models hosted by independent providers. why would all of them choose ads?
- Someone1234 8mo ago
  Then OpenRouter has ads, and the models hosted by third-parties have an ad/ad-free tier (heck, even ads injected into the query response stream).
  - simianwords 8mo ago
    this is motivated reasoning. the models are openweight and anyone can host them. why would every hosting company use ads? lets be a bit sensible.
    - jon-wood 8mo ago
      Are you (and the other’s going all Pikachu face here) really that naive? Have you looked around lately? News is a race to the bottom for clicks and ad revenue, photo sharing sites are turning people into extremists because it results in more ad revenue than just showing your friend’s holiday photos, and search engines prefer giving malware laden installers over the legit version of open source software. So yeah, the assumption unless shown otherwise is that things will get worse, and the user is just there to be sold whatever shit is paying most.
      - atherton94027 8mo ago
        I mean your argument is basically saying "in the future Linux will have ads, there's a race to the bottom with operating systems, just look at windows". Tough to justify this train of thought with open weight models
        tomrod 8mo ago
        It almost did. Look at Ubuntu and Amazon.
- gloxkiqcza 8mo ago
  That stands today. In the future the SOTA might move to where models of today are no longer competitive and there no open-weight alternatives available anymore. Let’s hope it’s not the case.
  - simianwords 8mo ago
    even if that were to happen, its still a better situation than now.

simianwords 8mo ago

just go to openrouter and there are openweight models hosted by independent providers. why would all of them choose ads?

Someone1234 8mo ago
Then OpenRouter has ads, and the models hosted by third-parties have an ad/ad-free tier (heck, even ads injected into the query response stream).
- simianwords 8mo ago
  this is motivated reasoning. the models are openweight and anyone can host them. why would every hosting company use ads? lets be a bit sensible.
  - jon-wood 8mo ago
    Are you (and the other’s going all Pikachu face here) really that naive? Have you looked around lately? News is a race to the bottom for clicks and ad revenue, photo sharing sites are turning people into extremists because it results in more ad revenue than just showing your friend’s holiday photos, and search engines prefer giving malware laden installers over the legit version of open source software. So yeah, the assumption unless shown otherwise is that things will get worse, and the user is just there to be sold whatever shit is paying most.
    - atherton94027 8mo ago
      I mean your argument is basically saying "in the future Linux will have ads, there's a race to the bottom with operating systems, just look at windows". Tough to justify this train of thought with open weight models
      - tomrod 8mo ago
        It almost did. Look at Ubuntu and Amazon.
gloxkiqcza 8mo ago
That stands today. In the future the SOTA might move to where models of today are no longer competitive and there no open-weight alternatives available anymore. Let’s hope it’s not the case.
- simianwords 8mo ago
  even if that were to happen, its still a better situation than now.