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We start a new app. Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated. Serving that subsection that cares about privacy and security. Discord is a good design, and sh

We start a new app. Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated. Serving that subsection that cares about privacy and security. Discord is a good design, and should be replicated rapidly with mutations from competitors galore.

debo_ 8mo ago
Revolt/stoat has existed for quite a while: https://itsfoss.com/revolt/ https://itsfoss.com/revolt/
- ThePowerOfFuet 8mo ago
  https://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/
TechniKris 8mo ago
> Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated Sounds like you want https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/ > Discord is a good design Then the main, reference client https://element.io/ https://element.io/ or https://fluffy.chat https://fluffy.chat would work great for you. ... With the only caveat being that general experience of using Matrix is awful. I second the other commenter's suggestion of using https://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/ or as it used to be called: Revolt, which matches the "Opensource Discord" requirement perfectly.
- sneak 8mo ago
  Matrix is slow, buggy trash with bad clients. (Incidentally, this is also the incantation that will cause its primary maintainer to show up in the comment thread and tell me that I’m not using their seemingly annual complete new client rewrite that fixes all of the problems and makes it perfect now.)
  - enforcer0912 8mo ago
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  - subscribed 8mo ago
    Bad clients issue stemming from the bad design. Soatok covered it very well here: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/ https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-ol... I'm quite sure most of these issues were fixed by now, but the fundamental issues remain, at least in this federation.
    - tcfhgj 8mo ago
      What fundamental issues
  - johnnyanmac 8mo ago
    Pretty much why centralized billionaires will always win. It takes a lot of resources (in terms of hardware and engineering) to make things at scale and smooth. The rich abuse this, the not rich can't afford to be principled.
GorbachevyChase 8mo ago
Mumble already exists. IRC exists. Matrix exists. Discord is a surveillance tool by design. Jason Citron pulled the same hijinx with Aurora Feint, but I assume he has been betraying users to CIA-and-Friends from the start so he gets a pass for breaking the same laws. Nobody scales free, high-bandwidth services without some dark money support from feds or worse.

debo_ 8mo ago

Revolt/stoat has existed for quite a while: https://itsfoss.com/revolt/ https://itsfoss.com/revolt/

ThePowerOfFuet 8mo ago
https://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/

TechniKris 8mo ago

> Opensource Discord, Self-hosted, federated Sounds like you want https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/ > Discord is a good design Then the main, reference client https://element.io/ https://element.io/ or https://fluffy.chat https://fluffy.chat would work great for you. ... With the only caveat being that general experience of using Matrix is awful. I second the other commenter's suggestion of using https://stoat.chat/ https://stoat.chat/ or as it used to be called: Revolt, which matches the "Opensource Discord" requirement perfectly.

sneak 8mo ago
Matrix is slow, buggy trash with bad clients. (Incidentally, this is also the incantation that will cause its primary maintainer to show up in the comment thread and tell me that I’m not using their seemingly annual complete new client rewrite that fixes all of the problems and makes it perfect now.)
- enforcer0912 8mo ago
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- subscribed 8mo ago
  Bad clients issue stemming from the bad design. Soatok covered it very well here: https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/ https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-ol... I'm quite sure most of these issues were fixed by now, but the fundamental issues remain, at least in this federation.
  - tcfhgj 8mo ago
    What fundamental issues
- johnnyanmac 8mo ago
  Pretty much why centralized billionaires will always win. It takes a lot of resources (in terms of hardware and engineering) to make things at scale and smooth. The rich abuse this, the not rich can't afford to be principled.

GorbachevyChase 8mo ago

Mumble already exists. IRC exists. Matrix exists. Discord is a surveillance tool by design. Jason Citron pulled the same hijinx with Aurora Feint, but I assume he has been betraying users to CIA-and-Friends from the start so he gets a pass for breaking the same laws. Nobody scales free, high-bandwidth services without some dark money support from feds or worse.