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If you'd have asked me a few years ago if anything could be an existential threat to github's dominance in the tech community I'd have quickly said no. If they
by showerst 8mo ago
If you'd have asked me a few years ago if anything could be an existential threat to github's dominance in the tech community I'd have quickly said no.
If they don't get their ops house in order, this will go down as an all-time own goal in our industry.
- panarky 8mo agoGithub lost at least one 9, if not two, since last year's "existential" migration to Azure.
- arianvanp 8mo agoThey didn't migrate yet.
- Krutonium 8mo agoFucking REALLY?!
- panarky 8mo agoMigrations of Actions and Copilot to Azure completed in 2024. Pages and Packages completed in 2025. Core platform and databases began in October 2025 and are in progress, with traffic split between the legacy Github data center and Azure.
- ifwinterco 8mo agoThat's probably partly why things have got increasingly flaky - until they finish there'll be constant background cognitive load and surface area for bugs from the fact everything (especially the data) is half-migrated
- panarky 8mo agoYou'd think so, and we don't know about today's incident yet, but recent Github incidents have been attributed specifically to Azure, and Azure itself has had a lot of downtime recently that lasts for many hours.
- ifwinterco 8mo agoTrue, the even simpler explanation is what they've migrated to is itself just unreliable
- pipo234 8mo agoThis has those Hotmail migration vibes off the early 2000s.
- jeffrallen 8mo agoAnd yet, somehow my wife still has a hotmail.com address 25 years later.
- showerst 8mo agoI'm sympathetic to ops issues, and particularly sympathetic to ops issues that are caused by brain-dead corporate mandates, but you don't get to be an infrastructure company and have this uptime record. It's extra galling that they advertise all the new buzzword laden AI pipeline features while the regular website and actions fail constantly. Academically I know that it's not the same people building those as fixing bugs and running infra, but the leadership is just clearly failing to properly steer the ship here.
- sgt 8mo agoIs there any reason why Github needs 99.99% uptime? You can continue working with your local repo.
- nullstyle 8mo agoThe money i pay them is the reason
- badgersnake 8mo agoLots of teams embraced actions to run their CI/CD, and GitHub reviews as part of their merge process. And copilot. Basically their SOC2 (or whatever) says they have to use GitHub. I’m guessing they’re regretting it.
- swiftcoder 8mo ago> Basically their SOC2 (or whatever) says they have to use GitHub Our SOC2 doesn't specify GitHub by name, but it does require we maintain a record of each PR having been reviewed. I guess in extremis we could email each other patch diffs, and CC the guy responsible for the audit process with the approval...
- onraglanroad 8mo agoThe Linux kernel uses an email based workflow. You can digitally sign email and add it to an immutable store that can be reviewed.
- sgt 8mo agoDoes SOC2 itself require that or just yours? I'm not too familiar with SOC2 but I know ISO 27001 quite well, and there's no PR specific "requirements" to speak of. But it is something that could be included in your secure development policy.
- badgersnake 8mo agoYeah, it’s what you write in the policy.
- imglorp 8mo agoI'm pretty sure they don't GAF about GH uptime as long as they can keep training models on it (0.5 /s), but Azure is revenue friction so might be a real problem. Something this week about "oops we need a quality czar": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46903802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46903802
- joshstrange 8mo ago> (0.5 /s), Does this mean you are only half-sarcastic/half-joking? Or did I interpret that wrong?
- jbmilgrom 8mo agoI viscerally dislike github so much at this point. I don't know how how they come back from this. Major opportunity for competitor here to come around and with ai native features like context versioning
- bartread 8mo agoYeah, I'm literally looking at GitLab's "Migrate from GitHub" page on their docs site right now. If there's a way to import issues and projects I could be sold.
- Zambyte 8mo agoMaybe it's be reasonable to script using the glab and gh clis? I've never tried anything like that, but I regularly use the glab cli and it's pretty comprehensive.
- notpushkin 8mo agoNo need – it imports pretty much anything you can reliably import from GitHub, including issues and PRs (with comments): https://docs.gitlab.com/user/project/import/github/#imported-data https://docs.gitlab.com/user/project/import/github/#imported...
- gslepak 8mo ago> If there's a way to import issues and projects I could be sold. That is what that feature does. It imports issues and code and more (not sure about "projects", don't use that feature on Github).
- stevekemp 8mo agoIf you're considering moving away from github due to problems with reliability/outages, then any migration to gitlab will not make you happy.
- bartread 8mo agoThanks for the heads up.
- nextaccountic 8mo agoI wish more people used git-bug. It stores issues and PRs in git (not as branches or tags but as special refs that don't pollute the output when you list branches), and have bridges from/to github and other sites It's like the fossil model, but on Git https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug If everyone used it, it would eliminate this specific form of lock in
- thinkingtoilet 8mo agoThis is obviously empty speculation, but I wonder if the mindless rush to AI has anything to do with the increase in outages we've seen recently.
- ezst 8mo agoOr maybe the mindless rush to host it in azure?
- thinkingtoilet 8mo agoOr both!
- iLoveOncall 8mo agoIt does. I work at Amazon and I can see the increase in outages or major issues since AI has been pushed.
- throwaway5752 8mo agoThis is Microsoft. They forced a move to Azure, and then prioritized AI workfloads higher. I'm sure the traing read workloads on GH are nontrivial. They literally have the golden goose, the training stream of all software development, dependencies, trending tool usage. In an age of model providers trying train their models and keep them current, the value of GitHub should easily be in the high tens of billions or more. The CEO of Microsoft should be directly involved at this point, their franchise at risk on multiple fronts now. Windows 11 is extremely bad. GitHub going to lose their foundational role in modern development shortly, and early indications are that they hitched their wagon to the wrong foundational model provider.
- oldge 8mo agoIt’s not so much an op’s issue as an architecture and code quality issue. If you have ever dug into the GitHub enterprise self hosted product you get an idea of the mess.