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In my experience, it is often the other way around. Enthusiasts are tasked with trying to open minds that seem very closed on the subject. Most serious users of

In my experience, it is often the other way around. Enthusiasts are tasked with trying to open minds that seem very closed on the subject. Most serious users of these tools recognize the shortcomings and also can make well-educated guesses on the short term future. It's the anti crowd who get hellbent on this ridiculously unfounded "robots are just parrots and can't ever replace real programmers" shtick.

rockskon 9mo ago
Maybe if AI evangelists would stop lying about what AI can do then people would hate it less. But lying and hype is baked into the DNA of AI booster culture. At this point it can be safely assumed anything short of right-here-right-now proof is pure unfettered horseshit when coming from anyone and everyone promoting the value of AI.
- soulofmischief 9mo ago
  Your comment is a perfect example of the biases I'm talking about. "AI evangelists" are not a singular group of people.
  - rockskon 9mo ago
    You're right! Sometimes even the right-here-right-now claims of AI capabilities are horseshit too with people in actuality remotely controlling the product. It's not common for present-capabilities to be lied about too. But it does happen! And the smallest presence are the users who don't work in the AI industry but rave about AI. I know of...two....people who fit that bill. A lead developer at a cybersecurity firm and someone who works heavily in statistics and data analytics. Both of which are very senior people in their fields who can articulate exactly what they're looking for without much left to interpretation.
    - soulofmischief 9mo ago
      Now you're just presenting straw man arguments and continuing to conflate separate issues.
      - rockskon 9mo ago
        No no - I am agreeing with you that AI evangelists are not a singular group of people! Im fact I agreed so much I even gave a couple examples of how they're not a monolithic group!

rockskon 9mo ago

Maybe if AI evangelists would stop lying about what AI can do then people would hate it less. But lying and hype is baked into the DNA of AI booster culture. At this point it can be safely assumed anything short of right-here-right-now proof is pure unfettered horseshit when coming from anyone and everyone promoting the value of AI.

soulofmischief 9mo ago
Your comment is a perfect example of the biases I'm talking about. "AI evangelists" are not a singular group of people.
- rockskon 9mo ago
  You're right! Sometimes even the right-here-right-now claims of AI capabilities are horseshit too with people in actuality remotely controlling the product. It's not common for present-capabilities to be lied about too. But it does happen! And the smallest presence are the users who don't work in the AI industry but rave about AI. I know of...two....people who fit that bill. A lead developer at a cybersecurity firm and someone who works heavily in statistics and data analytics. Both of which are very senior people in their fields who can articulate exactly what they're looking for without much left to interpretation.
  - soulofmischief 9mo ago
    Now you're just presenting straw man arguments and continuing to conflate separate issues.
    - rockskon 9mo ago
      No no - I am agreeing with you that AI evangelists are not a singular group of people! Im fact I agreed so much I even gave a couple examples of how they're not a monolithic group!