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We can (and should) provide for those among us who aren't able to provide for themselves, without also firing everyone in the welfare department. UBI is shit. P
by fragmede 9mo ago
We can (and should) provide for those among us who aren't able to provide for themselves, without also firing everyone in the welfare department. UBI is shit. People need to do something in order to recieve money, even if the something is begging on the side of the freeway or going into the welfare office to claim benefits. Magic money from the sky is not the answer.
- JKCalhoun 9mo agoI agree with you about magic money. Frequently downvoted when I put it forward but by and large I think that the human psyche needs to have a daily sense of having "accomplished something". Otherwise I suspect many of us will (reluctantly) drift off into lives that center around drinking alcohol, playing video games…
- SkyeCA 9mo agoI have a decent job, get paid an acceptable amount, and at the end of the day I never get the feeling that I've "accomplished something". I'm extremely jealous of anyone who feels a sense of reward from their job.
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- JKCalhoun 9mo agoThat describes much of my career as well. Curiously (or not) the job I had that felt the most satisfying was when I was paid to mow lawns as a youth. Beginning with a ragged lawn and leaving it looking clean and evenly cut was satisfying.
- direwolf20 9mo agoWhat if you have to dig holes and fill them back in to get the money? And some more people can do the useless work of tracking who filled and dug how many holes.
- fragmede 9mo agoif you oversimplify things, you lose the point. I moved houses. I took all of my stuff from my old house, moved it into a new house. Later, I moved all of that stuff back out of that house when I moved out of that one. Was moving my stuff into that house pointless, then? I could have just skipped a step and put it all in storage and then just not had any furniture for the entire time and saved money. In fact, if you don't eat anything, you'll save tons of money! Why is it useless to track who dug which hole?
- direwolf20 9mo agonobody needs those holes dug and filled
- fragmede 9mo agoin your version, sure. But it really would be nice to have that bridge get built anyway.
- danaris 9mo ago> People need to do something in order to recieve money Why? What purpose does this serve? Why should people have to prove their worthiness to be allowed to continue living?
- fragmede 9mo agoBecause I ain't giving away my money to freeloaders.
- danaris 9mo agoYou mean like the billionaires who do nearly no work, yet reap huge percentages of the spoils of all that we do?
- int_19h 9mo agoYou're going to be doing that either way. The only question is whether you will first humiliate those "freeloaders" by having them do meaningless work just so that they can receive their paycheck, or not.