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First of all, Apple CPUs are not the fastest. In fact top 20 fastest CPUs right now is probably an AMD and Intel only affair. Apples CPUs are most powerful eff
by throwa356262 8mo ago
First of all, Apple CPUs are not the fastest. In fact top 20 fastest CPUs right now is probably an AMD and Intel only affair.
Apples CPUs are most powerful efficient however, due to a bunch of design and manufacturing choices.
But to answer your question, yes Windows 11 with modern security crap feels 2-3 slower than vanilla Linux on the same hardware.
- rahkiin 8mo agoMy windows with corporate crap is sometimes 2000x slower than without corporate crap. And consistently 10x slower than an M3
- PaulHoule 8mo agoI was impressed with my M4 mini when I got it a year ago but sometime after the Liquid Glass update it is now: beachball… beachball… beachball… reboot… beachball… beachball… Reminds me of the bad old days of Win XP.
- nerdsniper 8mo agoHow much RAM do you have? That seems to be the main thing that slows down my MacBooks (original launch-day 16GB M1 MBP and 32 GB M2 Pro). The M1 CPU is finally starting to show its age for some things, but the M2 Pro is really only RAM limited in perceived speed for me.
- drob518 8mo agoRAM. You must have 16 GB or more. And for serious work now, I’m looking at 32 GB or more.
- astrange 8mo agoYou can report a bug by typing applefeedback:// in Safari.
- indemnity 8mo agoDon’t worry, my new M4 doesn’t feel much faster either due to all the corporate crapware. Since Windows Defender got ported to Mac it’s become terrible in I/O and overall responsiveness. Any file operations will consume an entire core or two on Defender processes. My personal M1 feels just as fast as the work M4 due to this.
- leptons 8mo agoThose sound like very well tested numbers, founded in reality /s
- rahkiin 8mo agoI did. On equal hardware, in same order, with same windows version, on clean installs. ‘npm install’ is very file-heavy and Windows with corpware hates small files especially with the .js extension
- vachina 8mo agoMy RHEL vnc feels snappier than the Windows 11 client it’s running on. With maximum corporate spyware it consistently takes 1 second to get a visual feedback on Windows.
- nerdsniper 8mo agoI do believe Apple are still the fastest single-core (M5, A19 Pro, and M3 Ultra leading), which still matters for a shocking amount of my workloads. But only the M5 has any noticeable gap vs Intel (~16%). Also the rankings are a bit gamed because AMD and Intel put out a LOT of SKU's that are nearly the same product, so whenever they're "winning" on a benchmark they take up a bunch of slots right next to eachother even though they're all basically the exact same chip. Also, all the top nearly 50 multi-core benchmarks are taken up by Epyc and Xeon chips. For desktop/laptop chips that aren't Threadripper, Apple still leads with the M3 Ultra 32-core in multi-core passmark benchmark. The usual caveats of benchmarks not being representative of any actual workload still apply, of course. And Apple does lag behind in multi-core benchmarks for laptop chips - The M3 Ultra is not offered in a laptop form-factor, but it does beat every AMD/Intel laptop chip as well in multicore benchmarks.
- throwa356262 8mo agoEven at the time of announcement M5 was not the fastest chip. Not even on single core benchmark where apple usually shines due to the design choice of having fewer but more powerful cores (AMD for examples does the opposite). For example on geekbench Core i9-14900KS and Core Ultra 9 285K were faster. The distance was not huge, maybe 3%. You can obviously pick and choose your benchmarks until you find one where "your" CPU happens to be the best.
- nerdsniper 8mo agohttps://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-list/cinebench-scores https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-list/cinebench-scores https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/ https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/ https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks vs https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks https://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks Apple leads all of these in single core, by a significant margin. Even at geekbench.com (3398 for AMD 9950X3D vs 3235 for the 14900KS vs ~4000 for various Apple chips) I'm not sure I could find a single core benchmark it would lose no matter how hard I tried...
- deaddodo 8mo ago
- ajross 8mo ago> First of all, Apple CPUs are not the fastest. The cores are. Nothing is beating a M4/M5 on single CPU performance, and per-cycle nothing is even particularly close. At the whole-chip level, there are bigger devices from the x86 vendors which will pull ahead on parallel benchmarks. And Apple's unfortunate allergy to effective cooling techniques (like, "faster fans move more air") means that they tend to throttle on chip-scale loads[1]. But if you just want to Run One Thing really fast, which even today still correlates better to "machine feels fast" than parallel loads, Apple is the undisputed king. [1] One of the reasons Geekbench 6, which controversially includes cooling pauses, looks so much better for Apple than version 5 did.
- gpderetta 8mo agoIt doesn't really make much sense to compare per-cycle performance across microarchitectures as there are multiple valid trade-offs. Of course Apple did pick a very good sweet spot favoring a wide core as opposed to a speed daemon more than the competition.
- ajross 8mo ago> It doesn't really make much sense to compare per-cycle performance across microarchitectures as there are multiple valid trade-offs. That's true in principle, but IMHO a little too evasive. In point of fact Apple 100% won this round. Their wider architecture is actually faster than the competition in an absolute sense even at the deployed clock rates. There's really no significant market where you'd want to use anything different for CPU compute anywhere. Datacenters would absolutely buy M5 racks if they were offered. M5 efficiency cores are better than Intel's or Zen 5c every time they're measured too. Just about the only spaces where Apple is behind[1] are die size and packaging: their cores take a little more area per benchmark point, and they're still shipping big single dies. And they finance both of those shortcomings with much higher per-part margins. Intel and AMD have moved hard into tiled architectures and it seems to be working out for them. I'd expect Apple to do the same soon. [1] Well, except the big elephant in the room that "CPU Performance Doesn't Matter Much Anymore". Consumer CPUs are fast enough and have been for years now, and the stuff that feels slow is on the GPU or the cloud these days. Apple's in critical danger of being commoditized out of its market space, but then that's true of every premium vendor throughout history.
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- ksec 8mo ago>First of all, Apple CPUs are not the fastest. In fact top 20 fastest CPUs right now is probably an AMD and Intel only affair. You are comparing 256 AMD Zen6c Core to What? M4 Max? When people say CPU they meant CPU Core, And in terms of Raw Speed, Apple CPU holds the fastest single core CPU benchmarks.
- throwa356262 8mo agoM4 pro 16 cores is #13 among laptops: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html#cpumark https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html#cpumark
- indemnity 8mo agoYou’re still looking at the multi core score, you want this one: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/ https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/ Where the M5 (non-pro, the one that will be in the next MacBook Air) is on top. When the M5 multicore scores arrive, the multi-core charts will be interesting.
- ksec 8mo agoThank You. I sometimes felt discussing anything Hardware on HN is hopeless.
- llm_nerd 8mo agoNowhere in the submission or even the comment you replied to did anyone say "fastest". The incredibly weird knee-jerk defensiveness by some is bizarre. It was a discussion about how the P cores are left ready to speedily respond to input via the E cores satisfying background needs, in this case talking specifically about Apple Silicon because that's the writer's interest. But of course loads of chips have P and E cores, for the same reason.