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Electrics won’t replace ICE until the range issues in cold weather is figured out.

calmbonsai 8mo ago
It will be a non-issue with the inevitable additional (charging) infrastructure roll-outs along with mandates for on-board heat-pump battery management. Just look at what Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_N... has done in just 20 years and let's just say it's not known for its warm climate.
happosai 8mo ago
Vast majority of worlds population doesn't live in places where cold weather range is a problem. Even where it is, cold weather range is a 3 month inconvenience of having to charge more often. Yeas sure there are use cases where gasoline is more convenient than BEV. But just because the usecase is relevant for you doesn't mean it's globally relevant in the big picture. Also how much people are ready take inconvenience depends how much they have to pay for the luxury of using gas. Even ignoring the global warming aspect, the EROI of oil drilling is plummeting. We'll never run out oil, it will just get more and more expensive as the easy sources of oil are all used...
Vasbarlog 8mo ago
Tell that to the Norwegians.
holoduke 8mo ago
Not only in cold weather. Good luck trailing something big for a long distance even in the summer. In my model X the range is reduced to hardly 150 miles. Really inconvenient.
- gambiting 8mo ago
  What do you mean by trailing? Like, driving on a trail? Like an off road one? Why would you do that in a Model X?
  - speedgoose 8mo ago
    Probably pulling a trailer for a long distance.
- direwolf20 8mo ago
  This is like the argument that LED traffic lights are bad because they don't get hot enough to melt snow on them. It's something that doesn't matter most of the time and when it does matter you use something else. LED traffic lights started getting built with heaters in them.
adrianN 8mo ago
Then it looks like it is figured out because BEV is replacing combustion at an ever increasing rate.
speedgoose 8mo ago
It is figured out though. Pre-heat the battery, or drive a little while before charging. A fast charging stop will significantly heat up the battery, heat that can then be transferred to the cabin. I live in Norway and for most people, EVs are an improvement during cold weather in my opinion. They get warm inside much faster, drive better, and while the range is obviously a lot lower, it isn’t a deal breaker if you buy a good EV. EV wouldn’t represent 97% of new car sales in Norway if they were worse in the cold IMHO. The country put incentives but they are phased out and many people don’t mind paying a lot.

It will be a non-issue with the inevitable additional (charging) infrastructure roll-outs along with mandates for on-board heat-pump battery management. Just look at what Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_N... has done in just 20 years and let's just say it's not known for its warm climate.

happosai 8mo ago

Vast majority of worlds population doesn't live in places where cold weather range is a problem. Even where it is, cold weather range is a 3 month inconvenience of having to charge more often. Yeas sure there are use cases where gasoline is more convenient than BEV. But just because the usecase is relevant for you doesn't mean it's globally relevant in the big picture. Also how much people are ready take inconvenience depends how much they have to pay for the luxury of using gas. Even ignoring the global warming aspect, the EROI of oil drilling is plummeting. We'll never run out oil, it will just get more and more expensive as the easy sources of oil are all used...

Vasbarlog 8mo ago

Tell that to the Norwegians.

holoduke 8mo ago

Not only in cold weather. Good luck trailing something big for a long distance even in the summer. In my model X the range is reduced to hardly 150 miles. Really inconvenient.

gambiting 8mo ago
What do you mean by trailing? Like, driving on a trail? Like an off road one? Why would you do that in a Model X?
- speedgoose 8mo ago
  Probably pulling a trailer for a long distance.
direwolf20 8mo ago
This is like the argument that LED traffic lights are bad because they don't get hot enough to melt snow on them. It's something that doesn't matter most of the time and when it does matter you use something else. LED traffic lights started getting built with heaters in them.

adrianN 8mo ago

Then it looks like it is figured out because BEV is replacing combustion at an ever increasing rate.

speedgoose 8mo ago

It is figured out though. Pre-heat the battery, or drive a little while before charging. A fast charging stop will significantly heat up the battery, heat that can then be transferred to the cabin. I live in Norway and for most people, EVs are an improvement during cold weather in my opinion. They get warm inside much faster, drive better, and while the range is obviously a lot lower, it isn’t a deal breaker if you buy a good EV. EV wouldn’t represent 97% of new car sales in Norway if they were worse in the cold IMHO. The country put incentives but they are phased out and many people don’t mind paying a lot.