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This scary, yet almost nothing on the news. We're living in a fake world and pretending everything is fine. Adam Curtis made a movie HyperNormalisation and we

by shrubby 8mo ago

This scary, yet almost nothing on the news. We're living in a fake world and pretending everything is fine. Adam Curtis made a movie HyperNormalisation and we're living it also today. Adam Curtis: “HyperNormalisation” is a word that was coined by a brilliant Russian historian who was writing about what it was like to live in the last years of the Soviet Union. What he said, which I thought was absolutely fascinating, was that in the 80s everyone from the top to the bottom of Soviet society knew that it wasn’t working, knew that it was corrupt, knew that the bosses were looting the system, know that the politicians had no alternative vision. And they knew that the bosses knew that they knew that. Everyone knew it was fake, but because no one had any alternative vision for a different kind of society, they just accepted this sense of total fakeness as normal. And this historian, Alexei Yurchak, coined the phrase “HyperNormalisation” to describe that feeling.

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coldtea 8mo ago
The top politicians, academics, businessmen, can party with underage children and even torture them, or dicuss blatant undemocratic actions that impact billions, and it's business as usual. You think they'd care for something as remote as the AMOC collapse?
- helloplanets 8mo ago
  Isn't this exactly the point the original post is making?
roenxi 8mo ago
It isn't actually all that scary; humans cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. If the change caught everyone by surprise it'd be a huge problem but it seems to be fairly well understood and there is lots of time to adjust. Worst case scenario seems to be that people will stop migrating to Europe.
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- PinkMilkshake 8mo ago
  > humans cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. That's not the problem, though. The problem is almost nothing else can. Livestock, staple crops, pollinating insects, etc.
  - greygoo222 8mo ago
    Livestock, staple crops, and pollinating insects cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. Some specific crops don't, but that's not a problem as long as changes are predicted.
  - roenxi 8mo ago
    How big a problem is that over a multi-decade time horizon? There is a pretty big variation in average temperatures by country [0]. Somehow People everywhere from Thailand to Greenland manage to find food. All else failing it is a possibility to trade for calories. Let alone technology improvements that might save the day by accident. I mean, it might make places uninhabitable over the course of a few generations, but things that change so slowly are't actually much of a threat on an individual level. Worst of the worst cases people can move or not have children - the statistics suggest that is an acceptable option to a lot of people. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_yearly_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_y...
    - SupremumLimit 8mo ago
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      - t0bia_s 8mo ago
        And you know future because of... Wikipedia?
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fallinditch 8mo ago
Well worth watching, Adam Curtis takes you on a wild ride around recent history and strings together an amazing viewpoint - intentionally fucking with how you emotionally understand the present, by showing how power, myth, and simplification interact over time. Full film at https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5k https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5k
sph 8mo ago
Another take away from that documentary is not that politicians do not care, but that the world has become so increasingly complex, fast-moving and interconnected there is no simple or real solution to any of the problems people have. They just do not have the answers. Whenever a politician gets elected on the wish to fix housing, jobs, the pension system, the larger and larger divide between the ultra rich and the masses, either they are lying to you or are hopelessly naive they can achieve anything in their 4 years. At that point all they can do is just fill their pockets like everybody else is doing.
- netsharc 8mo ago
  Politicians seem to end up reacting to the polling/what the reactionary voters want, because they don't want to be kicked out of office. I don't know if it's just ego, or if it's a nobility of "We need to win, because if the other side wins, they'll destroy this country!"... this leftist still believes Obama and Biden wanted to keep/build a decent society, so do people like Bernie and AOC (let's not talk about Pelosi and her stock portfolio though), and that Trump is just about naked corruption with some populist policies thrown to the rabid supporters like meat...
tim333 8mo ago
>almost nothing on the news Maybe not that exact variant but there have been thousand of hours of climate change stuff in the news, including worrying about changing ocean currents.

by shrubby 8mo ago

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coldtea 8mo ago

The top politicians, academics, businessmen, can party with underage children and even torture them, or dicuss blatant undemocratic actions that impact billions, and it's business as usual. You think they'd care for something as remote as the AMOC collapse?

helloplanets 8mo ago
Isn't this exactly the point the original post is making?

roenxi 8mo ago

It isn't actually all that scary; humans cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. If the change caught everyone by surprise it'd be a huge problem but it seems to be fairly well understood and there is lots of time to adjust. Worst case scenario seems to be that people will stop migrating to Europe.

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PinkMilkshake 8mo ago
> humans cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. That's not the problem, though. The problem is almost nothing else can. Livestock, staple crops, pollinating insects, etc.
- greygoo222 8mo ago
  Livestock, staple crops, and pollinating insects cope pretty well over a wide variety of temperatures. Some specific crops don't, but that's not a problem as long as changes are predicted.
- roenxi 8mo ago
  How big a problem is that over a multi-decade time horizon? There is a pretty big variation in average temperatures by country [0]. Somehow People everywhere from Thailand to Greenland manage to find food. All else failing it is a possibility to trade for calories. Let alone technology improvements that might save the day by accident. I mean, it might make places uninhabitable over the course of a few generations, but things that change so slowly are't actually much of a threat on an individual level. Worst of the worst cases people can move or not have children - the statistics suggest that is an acceptable option to a lot of people. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_yearly_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_y...
  - SupremumLimit 8mo ago
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    - t0bia_s 8mo ago
      And you know future because of... Wikipedia?
    - 8mo ago

fallinditch 8mo ago

Well worth watching, Adam Curtis takes you on a wild ride around recent history and strings together an amazing viewpoint - intentionally fucking with how you emotionally understand the present, by showing how power, myth, and simplification interact over time. Full film at https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5k https://youtu.be/to72IJzQT5k

sph 8mo ago

Another take away from that documentary is not that politicians do not care, but that the world has become so increasingly complex, fast-moving and interconnected there is no simple or real solution to any of the problems people have. They just do not have the answers. Whenever a politician gets elected on the wish to fix housing, jobs, the pension system, the larger and larger divide between the ultra rich and the masses, either they are lying to you or are hopelessly naive they can achieve anything in their 4 years. At that point all they can do is just fill their pockets like everybody else is doing.

netsharc 8mo ago
Politicians seem to end up reacting to the polling/what the reactionary voters want, because they don't want to be kicked out of office. I don't know if it's just ego, or if it's a nobility of "We need to win, because if the other side wins, they'll destroy this country!"... this leftist still believes Obama and Biden wanted to keep/build a decent society, so do people like Bernie and AOC (let's not talk about Pelosi and her stock portfolio though), and that Trump is just about naked corruption with some populist policies thrown to the rabid supporters like meat...

tim333 8mo ago

>almost nothing on the news Maybe not that exact variant but there have been thousand of hours of climate change stuff in the news, including worrying about changing ocean currents.