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Barely a couple weeks ago resorting to H1B bashing was the norm on HN. Now that the chickens have come home to roost you want to ignore it.

seneca 9mo ago
I don't want to ignore anything. The H1B fee changes were a half-measure that didn't go nearly far enough.
- alephnerd 9mo ago
  And my point is those "half measures" have already incentivized us to offshore even more than before. Going with "full measures" will only further incentivize us to go ExAmerica.
  - seneca 9mo ago
    That assumes that policies can't be put in place to control the incentives such that they prioritize American companies hiring American employees.
    - sunshowers 9mo ago
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      - seneca 9mo ago
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        sunshowers 9mo ago
        I need you to understand that immigration controls are fundamentally and inherently antithetical to freedom of speech, freedom of movement, and freedom of association. And this applies both to immigrants and to citizens. Imagine if you needed government approval to live with the one you love! What a completely unreasonable intervention into the private lives of ordinary people. Oh wait, that's the actual reality immigrants live in.
        seneca 9mo ago
        Yes, I see, you don't believe in countries or borders. I disagree with you, fundamentally, as do basically all Americans.
        sunshowers 9mo ago
        I believe that countries and borders exist as a descriptive fact about the world. But I also believe that it's impossible to square immigration control regimes with any robust notion of freedom and liberty, and also that there isn't room for much disagreement on this specific point once you understand the intrinsic nature of such regimes. See Kukathas, Immigration and Freedom for more. I know most people (of any nationality, not just Americans) don't understand this, but you and I are not most people. I believe things because it is correct to believe them, not because most people believe them (or not). edit: to be clear, you can say "immigration control lessens freedom, but I'm willing to give up freedom—both yours and mine—because I value certain things more". That is a reasonable point, though I might as a follow-up probe into the motivation behind that. "I think the government gets to stop you from living with your spouse, but I'm okay with that because XYZ" better have a pretty robust XYZ behind it!
    - alephnerd 9mo ago
      What policies lol. We lobbied where we needed to. Now we're bankrolling Trump's Venezuela [0] and "Drill Baby Drill" [1] policy and bankrolling Iowa [2] and Montana GOP's [3] agricultural exports. We also greenlit multiple Trump Towers projects [4][5][6][7]. This is how a trade war is fought. Policymaking is always secondary to politics. That's why I left the policy space to climb the ladder in business. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-reliance-talks-us-permit-buy-venezuelan-oil-sources-say-2026-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-reliance-talk... [1] - https://www.livemint.com/companies/ongc-exxonmobil-collaboration-india-hydrocarbon-block-auctions-11769614641193.html https://www.livemint.com/companies/ongc-exxonmobil-collabora... [2] - https://governor.iowa.gov/press-release/2025-09-16/gov-reynolds-returns-india-trade-and-investment-mission https://governor.iowa.gov/press-release/2025-09-16/gov-reyno... [3] - https://www.daines.senate.gov/2026/01/20/daines-travels-to-india-to-advocate-for-montanas-pulse-crops-and-reaffirm-u-s-india-strategic-partnership/ https://www.daines.senate.gov/2026/01/20/daines-travels-to-i... [4] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-tower-delhi-ncr-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [5] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-towers-pune-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [6] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-tower-mumbai-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [7] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-residences-gurgaon https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum...
- churchill 9mo ago
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apapkka 9mo ago
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seneca 9mo ago

I don't want to ignore anything. The H1B fee changes were a half-measure that didn't go nearly far enough.

alephnerd 9mo ago
And my point is those "half measures" have already incentivized us to offshore even more than before. Going with "full measures" will only further incentivize us to go ExAmerica.
- seneca 9mo ago
  That assumes that policies can't be put in place to control the incentives such that they prioritize American companies hiring American employees.
  - sunshowers 9mo ago
    [flagged]
    - seneca 9mo ago
      [flagged]
      - sunshowers 9mo ago
        I need you to understand that immigration controls are fundamentally and inherently antithetical to freedom of speech, freedom of movement, and freedom of association. And this applies both to immigrants and to citizens. Imagine if you needed government approval to live with the one you love! What a completely unreasonable intervention into the private lives of ordinary people. Oh wait, that's the actual reality immigrants live in.
        seneca 9mo ago
        Yes, I see, you don't believe in countries or borders. I disagree with you, fundamentally, as do basically all Americans.
        sunshowers 9mo ago
        I believe that countries and borders exist as a descriptive fact about the world. But I also believe that it's impossible to square immigration control regimes with any robust notion of freedom and liberty, and also that there isn't room for much disagreement on this specific point once you understand the intrinsic nature of such regimes. See Kukathas, Immigration and Freedom for more. I know most people (of any nationality, not just Americans) don't understand this, but you and I are not most people. I believe things because it is correct to believe them, not because most people believe them (or not). edit: to be clear, you can say "immigration control lessens freedom, but I'm willing to give up freedom—both yours and mine—because I value certain things more". That is a reasonable point, though I might as a follow-up probe into the motivation behind that. "I think the government gets to stop you from living with your spouse, but I'm okay with that because XYZ" better have a pretty robust XYZ behind it!
  - alephnerd 9mo ago
    What policies lol. We lobbied where we needed to. Now we're bankrolling Trump's Venezuela [0] and "Drill Baby Drill" [1] policy and bankrolling Iowa [2] and Montana GOP's [3] agricultural exports. We also greenlit multiple Trump Towers projects [4][5][6][7]. This is how a trade war is fought. Policymaking is always secondary to politics. That's why I left the policy space to climb the ladder in business. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-reliance-talks-us-permit-buy-venezuelan-oil-sources-say-2026-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indias-reliance-talk... [1] - https://www.livemint.com/companies/ongc-exxonmobil-collaboration-india-hydrocarbon-block-auctions-11769614641193.html https://www.livemint.com/companies/ongc-exxonmobil-collabora... [2] - https://governor.iowa.gov/press-release/2025-09-16/gov-reynolds-returns-india-trade-and-investment-mission https://governor.iowa.gov/press-release/2025-09-16/gov-reyno... [3] - https://www.daines.senate.gov/2026/01/20/daines-travels-to-india-to-advocate-for-montanas-pulse-crops-and-reaffirm-u-s-india-strategic-partnership/ https://www.daines.senate.gov/2026/01/20/daines-travels-to-i... [4] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-tower-delhi-ncr-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [5] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-towers-pune-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [6] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-tower-mumbai-india https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum... [7] - https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trump-residences-gurgaon https://www.trump.com/residential-real-estate-portfolio/trum...
churchill 9mo ago
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apapkka 9mo ago

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