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You don't need to raise taxes for this, literally just stop wasting money on licensees once the open source projects are ready. It's not a "let do it in 3 month

You don't need to raise taxes for this, literally just stop wasting money on licensees once the open source projects are ready. It's not a "let do it in 3 months" thing, this will take at least a decade.

gryn 9mo ago
> once the open source projects are ready. so likely a decade or more of double spending in the meanwhile. that's 2 election terms in France for context. Good luck making the political parties agree to this.
- gtirloni 9mo ago
  This likely won't need billions of Euros to implement and will be an earmark in the budget. My point being it's not such a grandious project, from a continental perspective.
xp84 9mo ago
“Once ready” they’ll save (somewhat) on licenses, what about paying for it during the years it will take to build it, while it’s not ready? When any random company makes a Build vs. Buy decision the question is “is this a core competency?” Most companies use a package from MS or GOOG because it’s unlikely that they’ll be so good at productivity software that it’s (A) worth distracting themselves from their actual job and (B) good enough. The same caveats apply here.
- parchley 9mo ago
  No, suggestion those caveats show that you are out of touch with what is at stake. This is about digital sovereignty, not saving money. It’s about not relying on the US. The US is literally forcing our hands here.
  - 999900000999 9mo ago
    Honestly it's probably a good idea for governments to self host and self support anything that's important. >Microsoft Used China-Based Engineers to Support Product Recently Hacked by China https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-sharepoint-hack-china-cybersecurity https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-sharepoint-hack... Open source alternatives, audited by international teams could be much more trust worthy than closed sourced black boxes.
    - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
      That explains why Android was not affected by Pegasus and Apple was.
      - fn-mote 9mo ago
        You forgot the /s I suppose the assumption is that every HN reader follows headline hacking news, which is valid but still I did a double-take at the comment.
        PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        ?
        deaux 9mo ago
        More like they don't even need Pegasus to get Androids.
        PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        ? Android has a higher bounty than Iphone. Anyway, sorry about your easily hackable phone. Hope you arent a VIP.
- Certhas 9mo ago
  Being able to operate sovereignly is a core competency for governments.
  - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
    >sovereignly Minor powers still bend to the great powers.
culi 9mo ago
FramaSoft has been building "Dégooglisons" since 2001 https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/ https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/
dmix 9mo ago
These projects will always need funding indefinitely if they are going to do it. People always want more and it will never be finished.
- etiennebausson 9mo ago
  If the money is use to pay local developer, who reinvest most of it in a taxed local economy, it would need a HUGE amount of devs to match up the government's current MS license cost.

gryn 9mo ago

> once the open source projects are ready. so likely a decade or more of double spending in the meanwhile. that's 2 election terms in France for context. Good luck making the political parties agree to this.

gtirloni 9mo ago
This likely won't need billions of Euros to implement and will be an earmark in the budget. My point being it's not such a grandious project, from a continental perspective.

xp84 9mo ago

“Once ready” they’ll save (somewhat) on licenses, what about paying for it during the years it will take to build it, while it’s not ready? When any random company makes a Build vs. Buy decision the question is “is this a core competency?” Most companies use a package from MS or GOOG because it’s unlikely that they’ll be so good at productivity software that it’s (A) worth distracting themselves from their actual job and (B) good enough. The same caveats apply here.

parchley 9mo ago
No, suggestion those caveats show that you are out of touch with what is at stake. This is about digital sovereignty, not saving money. It’s about not relying on the US. The US is literally forcing our hands here.
- 999900000999 9mo ago
  Honestly it's probably a good idea for governments to self host and self support anything that's important. >Microsoft Used China-Based Engineers to Support Product Recently Hacked by China https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-sharepoint-hack-china-cybersecurity https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-sharepoint-hack... Open source alternatives, audited by international teams could be much more trust worthy than closed sourced black boxes.
  - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
    That explains why Android was not affected by Pegasus and Apple was.
    - fn-mote 9mo ago
      You forgot the /s I suppose the assumption is that every HN reader follows headline hacking news, which is valid but still I did a double-take at the comment.
      - PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        ?
        deaux 9mo ago
        More like they don't even need Pegasus to get Androids.
        PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
        ? Android has a higher bounty than Iphone. Anyway, sorry about your easily hackable phone. Hope you arent a VIP.
Certhas 9mo ago
Being able to operate sovereignly is a core competency for governments.
- PlatoIsADisease 9mo ago
  >sovereignly Minor powers still bend to the great powers.

culi 9mo ago

FramaSoft has been building "Dégooglisons" since 2001 https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/ https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

dmix 9mo ago

These projects will always need funding indefinitely if they are going to do it. People always want more and it will never be finished.

etiennebausson 9mo ago
If the money is use to pay local developer, who reinvest most of it in a taxed local economy, it would need a HUGE amount of devs to match up the government's current MS license cost.