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I mean it has, but the situation is getting ridiculous, I'm at the point where I'm honestly not sure what special set of magical incantations and rituals I need
by Folcon 8mo ago
I mean it has, but the situation is getting ridiculous, I'm at the point where I'm honestly not sure what special set of magical incantations and rituals I need to do to get this process to work, it seems to change between different bits of software and get more complex with time as if Apple keeps finding proverbial bigger fools who can get through this mess without intending to and so they're solution is to keep making it increasingly more Byzantine
The thing that really irks me is I've got a paid developer account with Apple, I've already done the xcode dance, notarized binaries and all that nonsense, shouldn't this have activated some super special bit on my Apple account that says
“this one needs to do random stuff now and again and after saying, `Hey just checking in, doing this will do X to your computer probably, and maybe set it on fire, but if you say "go for it, I promise I know what I'm doing', I'm gonna trust you champ`, finger guns“
(not sure why in my head the personification of Apple would do "finger guns", but here we are I guess :shrug:)
Hell at this point I'll take a checkbox in my settings that says, ”Some people are into extreme sports, I love to install random binaries, just get out of my way“
- imglorp 8mo agoYou shouldn't need the company's permission to run whatever you want on your machine.
- klodolph 8mo ago…you don’t, just like you don’t need the bank’s permission to withdraw funds… but they will still try and stop you pulling out $10,000 so you can buy iTunes gift cards to pay off your taxes.
- chongli 8mo agoIt's not an issue of permission, it's an issue of trying to make a computer that's safe for grandma to use. Criminals can and will convince grandma to navigate a byzantine labyrinth of prompts and technical measures in order to drain her bank account. That's the threat model we're dealing with here.
- nkrisc 8mo agoAt a certain point you have to let adults be adults and make adult mistakes.
- ceejayoz 8mo agoTried that. Didn’t go great.
- bigstrat2003 8mo agoIt went just fine. But more importantly, it's completely immoral to treat adults as if they were children.
- Der_Einzige 8mo ago[flagged]
- chongli 8mo agoWho's to say the criminals won't use a genAI agent to call grandma and social-engineer her so they can drain her bank account?
- apothegm 8mo agoThey pretty much already are.
- lostlogin 8mo agoThis attitude is worse than Apple’s.
- skeltoac 8mo agoWe are all creeping toward old age. Let’s be kind to our future selves.
- fsiefken 8mo agoI helped my mother out with a computer, gave her a mac after she called twic a wee about a windows popup. Eventually she became a grandmother, and later in old age, with dementia she stlll using the mac more or less successfully to google and e-mail. Intentionality, coordination are important for keeping cognitive faculty. It all sounds so easy, but letting her send e-mail through voice could create confusing situations.
- miki123211 8mo agoAnd you don't. THIs is not iOS, gatekeeper can be bypassed if you know how.
- spockz 8mo agoIIRC everything you compile on macOS yourself, possibly only when using Apple’s llvm toolchain, already gets the proper bits set to execute just fine. This also seems to work for rust and go binaries. I’m not sure whether that is because they replicated the macOS llvm toolchain behaviour for the flag or whether another mechanism is at play.
- wtetzner 8mo agoI don't know about Go, but I think Rust uses the system linker by default.
- foldr 8mo agoThe command line incantation is just a convenience. You can unblock the app that you just tried to run by going to Privacy and Security in system settings and clicking around a bit.
- fragmede 8mo agoYou used to be able to, but not anymore.
- BirAdam 8mo agoYou used to be able to boot into the rescue mode and disable their security system. Is that not a thing anymore?