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What do you think I said that you're contradicting? IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure duri

What do you think I said that you're contradicting? IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. I'm comfortably with Tesla sparing no expense for safety, since I think we all (including Tesla) understand that this isn't the ultimate implementation. In fact, I think it would be a scandal if Tesla failed to do exactly that. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, apparently.

tapoxi 8mo ago
I don't know if Tesla claiming they're doing something carries weight anymore.
- schiffern 8mo ago
  Setting aside the anti-Tesla bias, none of what I said relies on Tesla claims. The "chase vehicle" claims are all based on third-party accounts from actual rideshare customers.
Mawr 8mo ago
> IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. Only if you're comparing them to another company, which you seem to be. So yes, yes it can. Seriously, the amount of sheer cope here is insane. Waymo is doing the thing. Tesla is not. If Tesla were capable of doing it, they would be. But they're not. It really is as simple as that and no amount of random facts you may bring up will change the reality. Waymo is doing the thing.
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- schiffern 8mo ago
  >Waymo is doing the thing. This worldview is overly simplistic. Waymo has (very shrewdly, for prospective investors at least) executed a strategy that most quickly scales to 0.1% of the population. Unfortunately it doesn't scale further. The cars are too costly and the mapping is too costly. There is no workable plan for significant scale from Waymo. Tesla is executing the strategy that most quickly scales to 100% of the population.
  - ra7 8mo ago
    > Tesla is executing the strategy that most quickly scales to 100% of the population. So, uh… where is this “scale” then? This “strategy” has been bandied about for better part of a decade. Why are they still in a tiny geofence in Austin with chase cars? Waymo is doing it right now. Half a million rides every week, expansion to a dozen new cities. Tesla does a few hundred in a tiny area. Scale is assessed by looking at concrete numbers, not by “strategies” that haven’t materialized for a decade.
  - essdas 8mo ago
    > most quickly scales to 0.1% of the population. Unfortunately it doesn't scale further Data suggests that they’re already available to ~2% of the US population.
    - schiffern 8mo ago
      There's definitely not enough Waymos to replace the transport needs of 2% of the population, so 0.1% is a more accurate figure of merit.

tapoxi 8mo ago

I don't know if Tesla claiming they're doing something carries weight anymore.

schiffern 8mo ago
Setting aside the anti-Tesla bias, none of what I said relies on Tesla claims. The "chase vehicle" claims are all based on third-party accounts from actual rideshare customers.

Mawr 8mo ago

> IMO the presence of safety chase vehicles is just a sensible "as low as reasonably achievable" measure during the early rollout. I'm not sure that can (fairly) be used as a point against them. Only if you're comparing them to another company, which you seem to be. So yes, yes it can. Seriously, the amount of sheer cope here is insane. Waymo is doing the thing. Tesla is not. If Tesla were capable of doing it, they would be. But they're not. It really is as simple as that and no amount of random facts you may bring up will change the reality. Waymo is doing the thing.

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schiffern 8mo ago
>Waymo is doing the thing. This worldview is overly simplistic. Waymo has (very shrewdly, for prospective investors at least) executed a strategy that most quickly scales to 0.1% of the population. Unfortunately it doesn't scale further. The cars are too costly and the mapping is too costly. There is no workable plan for significant scale from Waymo. Tesla is executing the strategy that most quickly scales to 100% of the population.
- ra7 8mo ago
  > Tesla is executing the strategy that most quickly scales to 100% of the population. So, uh… where is this “scale” then? This “strategy” has been bandied about for better part of a decade. Why are they still in a tiny geofence in Austin with chase cars? Waymo is doing it right now. Half a million rides every week, expansion to a dozen new cities. Tesla does a few hundred in a tiny area. Scale is assessed by looking at concrete numbers, not by “strategies” that haven’t materialized for a decade.
- essdas 8mo ago
  > most quickly scales to 0.1% of the population. Unfortunately it doesn't scale further Data suggests that they’re already available to ~2% of the US population.
  - schiffern 8mo ago
    There's definitely not enough Waymos to replace the transport needs of 2% of the population, so 0.1% is a more accurate figure of merit.