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Fog, heavy rain, heavy snow, people running between cars or from an obstructed view… None of these technologies can ever be 100%, so we’re basically accepting
by ChicagoDave 8mo ago
Fog, heavy rain, heavy snow, people running between cars or from an obstructed view…
None of these technologies can ever be 100%, so we’re basically accepting a level of needless death.
Musk has even shrugged off FSD related deaths as, “progress”.
- smallmancontrov 8mo agoHumans: 70 deaths in 7 billion miles FSD: 2 deaths in 7 billion miles Looks like FSD saves lives by a margin so fat it can probably survive most statistical games.
- hn_acc1 8mo agoIs that the official Tesla stat? I've heard of way more Tesla fatalities than that..
- ChicagoDave 8mo agoThis is absolutely a Musk defender. FSD and Tesla related deaths are much higher. https://www.tesladeaths.com/index-amp.html https://www.tesladeaths.com/index-amp.html
- smallmancontrov 8mo agoAutopilot is the shitty lane assist. FSD is the SOTA neural net. Your link agrees with me: > 2 fatalities involving the use of FSD
- ChicagoDave 8mo agoTesla sales are dead across the world. Cybertruck is a failure. Chinese EVs are demonstrably better. No one wants these crappy cars anymore.
- Fricken 8mo agoI don't know what he's on about. Here's a better list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashes#:~:text=There%20have%20been%20multiple%20fatal,instance%2C%20the%20motorcyclist%20was%20killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Tesla_Autopilot_crashe...
- smallmancontrov 8mo agoAutopilot is the shitty lane assist. FSD is the SOTA neural net. Your link agrees with me: > two that NHTSA's Office of Defect Investigations determined as happening during the engagement of Full Self-Driving (FSD) after 2022.
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- dham 8mo agoGood ole Autopilot vs FSD post. You would think people on Hacker News would be better informed. Autopilot is just lane keep and adaptive cruise control. Basically what every other car has at this point. "MacOS Tahoe has these cool features". "Yea but what about this wikipedia article on System 1. Look it has these issues." That's how you come across
- simondotau 8mo agoThere are a sizeable number of deaths associated with the abuse of Tesla’s adaptive cruise control with lane cantering (publicly marketed as “autopilot”). Such features are commonplace on many new cars and it is unclear whether Tesla is an outlier, because no one is interested in obsessively researching cruise control abuse among other brands. There are two deaths associated with FSD.
- elgenie 8mo agoIsn't there a great deal of gaming going on with the car disengaging FSD milliseconds before crashing? Voila, no "full" "self" driving accident; just another human failing [*]! [*] Failing to solve the impossible situation FSD dropped them into, that is.
- smallmancontrov 8mo agoNope. NHTSA's criteria for reporting is active-within-30-seconds. https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde... If there's gamesmanship going on, I'd expect the antifan site linked below to have different numbers, but it agrees with the 2 deaths figure for FSD.
- socialcommenter 8mo agoHow many of the 70 human accidents would be adequately explained by controlling for speed, alcohol, wanton inattention, etc? (The first two alone reduce it by 70%) No customer would turn on FSD on an icy road, or on country lanes in the UK which are one lane but run in both directions; it's much harder to have a passenger fatality in stop-start traffic jams in downtown US cities. Even if those numbers are genuine (2 vs 70) I wouldn't consider it apples-for-apples. Public information campaigns and proper policing have a role to play in car safety, if that's the stated goal we don't necessarily need to sink billions into researching self driving