4 ms·

Interesting that this should come out right as lawmakers are beginning to understand that Waymos have overseas operators making major decisions. [*] https://fu

• thethimble 9mo ago
  Why is this relevant at all? Having humans in the loop at some level is necessary for handling rare edge cases safely.
  • mrcwinn 9mo ago
    If that’s true the system isn’t finished. That’s what reasoning is for.
    • sroussey 9mo ago
      Who ever said they were finished? You think the laid off the team since everything is “done”?
  • AlotOfReading 9mo ago
    The word "loop" here has multiple meanings. Only one is what you mean and the other person responding to you has understood another. The first is the DDT control loop, what a human driver does. Waymo's remote assistants aren't involved in that. The computer always has responsibility for the safety of the vehicle and decisionmaking while operating, which is why Waymo's humans are remote assistants and not remote drivers. Their safety drivers do participate in the DDT loop, hence the name. But there's also another "loop" of human involvement. Sometimes the vehicle doesn't understand the scene and asks humans for advice about the appropriate action to take. It's vaguely similar to captchas. The human will usually confirm the computer's proposed actions, but they can also suggest different actions. The computer the advice as a prior to continue operating instead of giving up the DDT responsibility. There's very likely a closely monitored SLA between a few seconds to a few minutes on how long it takes humans to start looking at the scene. If something causes the computer to believe the advice isn't safe, it will ignore it. There have been cases where Waymos have erroneously detected collisions and remote assistants were unable to override that decisionmaking. When that happens, a vehicle recovery team is physically sent out to the location. The SLA here is likely between tens of minutes and a couple hours.
• FL33TW00D 9mo ago
  Completely false: https://x.com/i/status/2019213765506670738 https://x.com/i/status/2019213765506670738 Listen to the statement. The operators help when the Waymo is in a "difficult situation". Car drives itself 99% of the time, long tail of issues not yet fixed have a human intervene. Everyone is making out like it's an RC car, completely false.
  • ChadNauseam 9mo ago
    Whenever something like this comes out, it's a good moment to find people with no critical thinking skills who can safely be ignored. Driving a waymo like an RC car from the philippines? you can barely talk over zoom with someone in the philippines without bitrate and lag issues.
    • hijnksforall 9mo ago
      Hacker News has had some of the dumbest Tesla takes of all time. People should be embarrassed about some of the claims that were made here. And apparently some people still haven't caught on. Have a look if you don't believe me: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=custom&page=0&prefix=false&query=Tesla&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=custom&page=0&prefix=false...
      • Hikikomori 9mo ago
        Seems to be some ketamine on that boot.
    • anigbrowl 9mo ago
      Except that's not what the original posters said, rather 'operators making major decisions.' Don't strawman here, it wastes everyone's time.
      • ChadNauseam 9mo ago
        I didn't mean to insult the original poster. But I have seen people who think that waymos are being driven remotely by filipinos