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>And leave those who don't in peace? That's not what's happening. People who are living like that are being invaded by high density people who want to live in

>And leave those who don't in peace? That's not what's happening. People who are living like that are being invaded by high density people who want to live in high density in their communities. They want to take over and force people out. And generally they just want to flip. Find somewhere cheap and make it expensive to make money by lowering everybody's quality of life and calling it progress.

triceratops 9mo ago
> They want to take over and force people out. How do you "force" people out? The existing owners have to sell land, and once they do the new owners have as much right to decide as the other residents. Are there thugs going door to door forcing sellers to sign papers? Allowing higher density construction doesn't mean higher density must get built there. That's still up to the property owner to decide. True freedom.
- colechristensen 9mo ago
  Property taxes and cost of living causing people who own to be priced out and forced to sell their homes because of bankruptcy. And the occasional eminent domain.
  - iamnothere 9mo ago
    Property taxes? Not in California (prop 13).
    - colechristensen 9mo ago
      and the YIMBY (but really somebody else's back yard) yell loudly about this property tax carveout and how terrible it is for their density goals
      - iamnothere 9mo ago
        And that yelling is their free speech. As is your complaint in response.
  - triceratops 9mo ago
    > Property taxes...causing people who own to be priced out That's an important price signal that the land is under-utilized. If we actually allowed denser residential then those people could sell their land to a condominium or townhouse developer in exchange for a new unit and some cash. They get to stay in the same place, their property taxes stay roughly the same, and they get to enjoy the cash. While everyone else also benefits from more housing. Win-win-win.

triceratops 9mo ago

> They want to take over and force people out. How do you "force" people out? The existing owners have to sell land, and once they do the new owners have as much right to decide as the other residents. Are there thugs going door to door forcing sellers to sign papers? Allowing higher density construction doesn't mean higher density must get built there. That's still up to the property owner to decide. True freedom.

colechristensen 9mo ago
Property taxes and cost of living causing people who own to be priced out and forced to sell their homes because of bankruptcy. And the occasional eminent domain.
- iamnothere 9mo ago
  Property taxes? Not in California (prop 13).
  - colechristensen 9mo ago
    and the YIMBY (but really somebody else's back yard) yell loudly about this property tax carveout and how terrible it is for their density goals
    - iamnothere 9mo ago
      And that yelling is their free speech. As is your complaint in response.
- triceratops 9mo ago
  > Property taxes...causing people who own to be priced out That's an important price signal that the land is under-utilized. If we actually allowed denser residential then those people could sell their land to a condominium or townhouse developer in exchange for a new unit and some cash. They get to stay in the same place, their property taxes stay roughly the same, and they get to enjoy the cash. While everyone else also benefits from more housing. Win-win-win.