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It's this really YIMBY or actually YIYBY ? It's difficult to tell checking the whole website. Edit to be more explicit: are the people that sent/asked to send
by darkwater 9mo ago
It's this really YIMBY or actually YIYBY ? It's difficult to tell checking the whole website.
Edit to be more explicit: are the people that sent/asked to send the 2 letters to the City Council residents of Rancho Palos Verdes?
- cbeach 9mo agoDefinitely YIYBY.
- epistasis 9mo agoIf you're going to invent the term YIYBY are you willing to acknowledge far more NIYBY than NIMBY behavior?
- darkwater 9mo agoI'm not saying I'm favor of NIMBY - it depends on what's actually going on - but I would expect that there might be a lobby of constructors, rather than citizens looking to lower house prices, behind such an effort.
- moron4hire 9mo agoI don't know, does new housing or municipal services get built in anyone's literal backyard? So it's not Your or My Backyard, really. NIMBYism has always been about nosy people obstructing progress.
- baggy_trough 9mo agoIt's actually about people not wanting the largest investment of their life to change in ways they don't like.
- only-one1701 9mo ago“I invested a lot of money in something and my ROI is literally more important than anything else.”
- baggy_trough 9mo agoI think the ROI criticism is generally off the mark. Most homeowners that resist rezoning, etc. are concerned about quality of life issues rather than home values (although those are aligned if significantly lower quality of life reduces home values). For example, the idea that I'd benefit if my area was upzoned because I could sell my home/land for much more doesn't appeal to me at all. I don't want to sell my home, and I don't want the neighborhood to change around me in a way that I would eventually want to.
- only-one1701 9mo agoCool
- volkercraig 9mo agoOk, and?
- yardie 9mo agoTrying to find the amendment in the bill of rights that guarantees your investment will go up. Can you point it out to me?
- volkercraig 9mo agoTrying to find the amendment where you aren't allowed to advocate for your own interests.
- iamnothere 9mo agoYou’re allowed to advocate for your own interests, but there are limits to what you’re actually allowed to accomplish with that advocacy. At least in the US. You can’t just pass laws to confiscate the wealth of your political opponents, for instance. You can advocate for it (free speech), you just can’t do it.
- baggy_trough 9mo agoWhy should I? I said nothing about my investment going up.
- AlexandrB 9mo ago"House as investment" is a terrible outcome of the North American housing market.
- alistairSH 9mo agoTwo comments about this... - "Housing as investment" might not be the best policy - Side effect of above, people have strong incentive to ignore all the negative externalities caused by that policy (ie, sprawl and lots of car mileage when society would better with more compact towns)
- nine_k 9mo agoCasting shadow on their backyard. Bringing noise to their street. Ultimately, lowering the value of their property. The key problem of US housing is that a house is seen as an investment vehicle, which should appreciate, or at least appreciate no slower than inflation. Keeping prices high and rising can't but go hand in hand with keeping supply scarce.
- triceratops 9mo agoIf there's enough demand to build denser housing near your house, and that's allowed, your land is automatically worth more.
- nine_k 9mo agoIs it always true? More than once I heard fears about undesirables moving in, crime rate growing, the neighborhood "losing its character" that commands the high prices, etc. The resistance is real at some places.
- bombcar 9mo agoThe land value argument is downstream of the real issues - some people don't want change and fight it. If it was purely a money question you could just get some billionaire to go around buying out entire neighborhoods, redeveloping them, and turning around and selling them off for a profit (because they'd be worth more, right?) - the fact that this is not being done either means there's a great new startup or there are other issues.
- triceratops 9mo agoIt depends on whether the neighborhood is highly valued for proximity to jobs and services, or for "character".
- estearum 9mo agoIt's actually land that appreciates, which is why we should have a high land value tax and eliminate this extremely awful incentive.
- triceratops 9mo agoIt should really be called NIYBY-ism. Literal NIMBY-ism, where the backyard is one's own property, is just straightforward property rights. They want to control other people's property and tell them what they can and can't do with it. That's basically communism.
- Izkata 9mo ago"in my/your backyard" is a very old and pretty common idiomatic phrase that refers to the general area you live in (neighborhood, town, city, etc).
- triceratops 9mo agoBarring eminent domain, YIYBY is impossible. It's always YIMBY.
- munk-a 9mo agoYIYBY is the concept of wanting it nearby to your residence but not having to suffer any of the direct consequences - imo it's a good thing to acknowledge but generally indistinguishable from NIMBYism. You want the benefits but aren't willing to pay the costs.
- triceratops 9mo ago> YIYBY is the concept of wanting it nearby to your residence but not having to suffer any of the direct consequences How does that work exactly?
- WarmWash 9mo agoThere is a large forest near your local community. You and others often walk in the forest and kids play there. Its calming and has been there forever. The state wants your community to turn it into apartments, but obviously the community is icey about it. Then activists from another city dozens of miles away, who have never cared for your town or really been to it, show up at Town Hall meetings and are scheduling meetings with town councilors to push for building the apartments. Those out of town people jumping into your community to dictate change are the YIYBY people. If the apartments are built, they'll put another feather in their cap while walking around the forest near their home.
- pixl97 9mo ago> large forest near your local community. Who owns the forest and why do you think you get to say if people build on it or not?
- mothballed 9mo ago
- bs7280 9mo agoMore housing in the next town over helps everyone looking for a house in the surrounding towns. We all share a backyard called earth.