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As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad. This looks more likely an israeli

by jimbohn 8mo ago

As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad. This looks more likely an israeli operation which sourced girls from russia and likely had the FSB as a customer/scratch my back I scratch yours/collab thing. I mean, most US politicians and the president seem to be on an "israel first" agenda.

Der_Einzige 8mo ago
I call him "Zion Don" for a reason.
Aerbil313 8mo ago
It doesn't help that almost all members of the U.S. congress is funded by AIPAC. See how much your representative received from AIPAC here: https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
stef25 8mo ago
Also as a European, these mossad conspiracy theories are laughable. Story doesn't add up ? Mossad! You even threw in the FSB for good measure.
- jimbohn 8mo ago
  Who said the story doesn't add up? Things seem to add up pretty nicely. Mossad and FSB are the first suspects, given their history. The countries have quite an overlapping background among their elites, and it shows. Regardless, do you agree or not that in the US media it seems ok to point the finger at russia, but not at israel, when it comes to this?
throw9235837 8mo ago
As a “European” you are happy to simply fabricate an unsubstantiated conspiracy involving the Jews.
- PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
  Only you are saying 'Jews'. The OP mentioned the Israeli secret service. These are not the same, even if the government of Israel deliberately conflates them. I think we need to start calling out this deliberate attempt from the Israeli government to correlate the two.
  - fromMars 8mo ago
    The OP also mentioned Epstein, a Jew, and then made the leap that he must have been associated with Mossad.
    - jimbohn 8mo ago
      Yes, totally a leap. Just check out the list of coincidences that Schmerika made in this thread. Epstein could have been a Nigerian spy as much as a Mossad one, am I right?
      - fromMars 8mo ago
        Sure, there are tons of conspiracy theories about Nigerian spies... But I'm not sure why it's more likely that Epstein was a Mossad spy over CIA or Russian or any other spy agency. I am not sure what the evidence was that he was an intelligent operative at all as opposed to just a depraved, rich, criminal.
  - throw9235837 8mo ago
    It’s very easy to create proxies for any group you hate, just pick something that applies mostly only to that group - or something that haters of that group claim applies to that group and then say you only hate that and not the group. Jews can be in opposition to the current government of Israel while still recognize when someone is picking specifically on the only Jewish state, and doing so obsessively and irrationally.
Rzor 8mo ago
>As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad. This is driving me up the wall. Look, I know part of this talk/accusation [about Mossad] is coming from Nazi/antisemitic circles, so people being hesitant to engage makes a bit of sense. But come on, it's not a stretch to consider. The idea that the US would let a Russian operation go unchecked like that is completely bonkers.
- throw9235837 8mo ago
  Something “not-being-a-stretch” doesn’t need any consideration without evidence.
  - Schmerika 8mo ago
    There's no shortage of evidence of a strong relationship there [0], [1]. What's missing is definitive proof, so far at least. I think you're conflating the two. Evidence and proof are different things - see [2] for a good example of this conflation used the other way. Anyway, yeah, you can very seriously consider this based on the evidence already out there. Considering the stakes, it would be kinda silly not to imo. 0 - https://www.commondreams.org/news/epstein-israeli-intelligence-investigation https://www.commondreams.org/news/epstein-israeli-intelligen... 1 - https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090314.pdf?s=09 https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA000903... 2 - @NormalIsandNws on X: “Here is the proof Epstein was a Russian asset: - his girlfriend was the daughter of a Mossad agent - one of his best friends was Israel's lawyer - another of his best friends was a former Israeli prime minister - he met with the current Israeli prime minister - a senior Israeli spy would stay at his house for weeks at a time - a friend invited him to bring his girls to Israel - he fled to Israel when he was charged with sex crimes against a minor - he was pictured wearing an IDF shirt - he was funded by pro-Israel fanatics - he worked for the Rothschilds - he donated to pro-Israel student groups - he was responsible for the Wexner group's "pro-Israel philanthropy" - he supported Israeli settlement projects - his friends were all Zionists - he scathingly referred to non -Jews as "goyim" - he was involved in Israeli diplomacy efforts - he brokered security deals for Israel - he aimed to profit from regime changes in the Middle East - a former Israeli intelligence officer said he ran a honeypot for Israel - his business partner confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel - one of his victims confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel As you can see, all of this was done for the benefit of Russia. There is no other explanation.”
Teever 8mo ago
This was mentioned on The Daily Show this past monday.[0] You're right that people on social media aren't talking about it very much for some reason but that doesn't mean that it isn't being talked about in American media. [0] https://youtu.be/cwXIq81eE24?t=881 https://youtu.be/cwXIq81eE24?t=881

by jimbohn 8mo ago

Der_Einzige 8mo ago

I call him "Zion Don" for a reason.

Aerbil313 8mo ago

It doesn't help that almost all members of the U.S. congress is funded by AIPAC. See how much your representative received from AIPAC here: https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://www.trackaipac.com/congress

stef25 8mo ago

Also as a European, these mossad conspiracy theories are laughable. Story doesn't add up ? Mossad! You even threw in the FSB for good measure.

jimbohn 8mo ago
Who said the story doesn't add up? Things seem to add up pretty nicely. Mossad and FSB are the first suspects, given their history. The countries have quite an overlapping background among their elites, and it shows. Regardless, do you agree or not that in the US media it seems ok to point the finger at russia, but not at israel, when it comes to this?

throw9235837 8mo ago

As a “European” you are happy to simply fabricate an unsubstantiated conspiracy involving the Jews.

PlatoIsADisease 8mo ago
Only you are saying 'Jews'. The OP mentioned the Israeli secret service. These are not the same, even if the government of Israel deliberately conflates them. I think we need to start calling out this deliberate attempt from the Israeli government to correlate the two.
- fromMars 8mo ago
  The OP also mentioned Epstein, a Jew, and then made the leap that he must have been associated with Mossad.
  - jimbohn 8mo ago
    Yes, totally a leap. Just check out the list of coincidences that Schmerika made in this thread. Epstein could have been a Nigerian spy as much as a Mossad one, am I right?
    - fromMars 8mo ago
      Sure, there are tons of conspiracy theories about Nigerian spies... But I'm not sure why it's more likely that Epstein was a Mossad spy over CIA or Russian or any other spy agency. I am not sure what the evidence was that he was an intelligent operative at all as opposed to just a depraved, rich, criminal.
- throw9235837 8mo ago
  It’s very easy to create proxies for any group you hate, just pick something that applies mostly only to that group - or something that haters of that group claim applies to that group and then say you only hate that and not the group. Jews can be in opposition to the current government of Israel while still recognize when someone is picking specifically on the only Jewish state, and doing so obsessively and irrationally.

Rzor 8mo ago

>As a European, I find it very funny to see how nobody in the US is willing to address the elephant in the room called Mossad. This is driving me up the wall. Look, I know part of this talk/accusation [about Mossad] is coming from Nazi/antisemitic circles, so people being hesitant to engage makes a bit of sense. But come on, it's not a stretch to consider. The idea that the US would let a Russian operation go unchecked like that is completely bonkers.

throw9235837 8mo ago
Something “not-being-a-stretch” doesn’t need any consideration without evidence.
- Schmerika 8mo ago
  There's no shortage of evidence of a strong relationship there [0], [1]. What's missing is definitive proof, so far at least. I think you're conflating the two. Evidence and proof are different things - see [2] for a good example of this conflation used the other way. Anyway, yeah, you can very seriously consider this based on the evidence already out there. Considering the stakes, it would be kinda silly not to imo. 0 - https://www.commondreams.org/news/epstein-israeli-intelligence-investigation https://www.commondreams.org/news/epstein-israeli-intelligen... 1 - https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090314.pdf?s=09 https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA000903... 2 - @NormalIsandNws on X: “Here is the proof Epstein was a Russian asset: - his girlfriend was the daughter of a Mossad agent - one of his best friends was Israel's lawyer - another of his best friends was a former Israeli prime minister - he met with the current Israeli prime minister - a senior Israeli spy would stay at his house for weeks at a time - a friend invited him to bring his girls to Israel - he fled to Israel when he was charged with sex crimes against a minor - he was pictured wearing an IDF shirt - he was funded by pro-Israel fanatics - he worked for the Rothschilds - he donated to pro-Israel student groups - he was responsible for the Wexner group's "pro-Israel philanthropy" - he supported Israeli settlement projects - his friends were all Zionists - he scathingly referred to non -Jews as "goyim" - he was involved in Israeli diplomacy efforts - he brokered security deals for Israel - he aimed to profit from regime changes in the Middle East - a former Israeli intelligence officer said he ran a honeypot for Israel - his business partner confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel - one of his victims confirmed he ran a honeypot for Israel As you can see, all of this was done for the benefit of Russia. There is no other explanation.”

Teever 8mo ago

This was mentioned on The Daily Show this past monday.[0] You're right that people on social media aren't talking about it very much for some reason but that doesn't mean that it isn't being talked about in American media. [0] https://youtu.be/cwXIq81eE24?t=881 https://youtu.be/cwXIq81eE24?t=881