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You seem to be using the terms "left leaning person" and "right leaning person" when you actually mean "normal people" and "sociopaths." Left and right have no

You seem to be using the terms "left leaning person" and "right leaning person" when you actually mean "normal people" and "sociopaths." Left and right have nothing to do with it.

kikokikokiko 9mo ago
Yep, no rational argument can be used to make you (or me) see the same movie.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  List the rational arguments in favor of the so-called "right-leaning" point of view (OP's term, not mine) with respect to the Pretti killing. Spoiler: there are no such arguments, effective or otherwise. To apologists it looks like a Rorschach test; to normal people it looks like a snuff film, brought to us by the same studio that is now distributing child pornography. Meanwhile, it's possible to favor free enterprise, (genuinely) smaller government, low taxes, free trade, and other so-called "right-leaning" perspectives without joining a slack-jawed personality cult that demands that you deny the evidence of your own eyes.
  - brabel 9mo ago
    In my country, lifting a finger against an officer on duty will land you in big trouble. If you got a gun on you and you resist arrest, like happened in this case, you are absolutely getting shot. I can’t really understand you Americans. What do you think an armed person reacting to arrest is going to do with that gun given the chance? If you were a cop would you take chances?? If you did you wouldn’t be here complaining about anything as you would be dead.
    - throwaway894345 9mo ago
      1. In the United States, we have Constitutional rights, including the right to carry a gun with proper permits. Like other rights, the state can't murder you for having a gun on your person, but if they have a credible reason to think that you are an immediate threat, they can shoot you. The legal standard for "immediate threat" does not cover this scenario because (1) Pretti wasn't resisting (2) the police stripped him of his gun before they executed him and (3) the agents approached Pretti for no reason at all; Pretti was clearly peacefully recording with his hands clearly visible. > If you were a cop would you take chances I wouldn't be a cop if I was afraid that every person with a cell phone might shoot me with a gun, or if I was afraid that every soccer mom in a car might try to run me over. And while American policing is riddled with accountability problems, it's important to emphasize that the crushing majority of American police can manage much riskier circumstances without murdering anyone--it seems to be exclusively the agencies under the Department of Homeland Security that behave like secret police on a regular basis.
      - brabel 9mo ago
        He clearly resisted otherwise what was the struggle about when he felt on the floor ??
        throwaway894345 9mo ago
        He was tackled on the ice and was trying to keep his face out of the pavement.
        CamperBob2 9mo ago
        Reflexes. When you're attacked without provocation by several people, you put out your hands involuntarily to fend them off. When you are knocked down, you involuntarily try to get back up. On icy ground you are also trying to maintain your balance. You are demanding that the victim maintain a clear head under stressful conditions, while holding his attackers to no such standard. But you knew that.
- JCattheATM 9mo ago
  The video itself and the facts it supports are objective.
snayan 9mo ago
The sociopaths you refer to see themselves as the normal people and you as the sociopath.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  (Shrug) Nobody thinks they're the bad guys, including the actual bad guys. As usual, it's not hard to tell who the bad guys are: they're the ones who initiate violence.
dotancohen 9mo ago
So you consider people with different values then you sociopaths? You sound very intolerant.
- srean 9mo ago
  Depends on what those values are. Epstein had different values than I do. I don't think parent commenter is saying that leaning right is sociopathic, but that some people try to pass their sociopathy as a simple act of being right leaning.
- CamperBob2 9mo ago
  Yes. Karl Popper's 'Paradox of Tolerance' applies. TL,DR: tolerating intolerance turns out to be a bad idea. Glancing at your user page, this should be an exercise in preaching to the choir. You do understand that the only reason the Republicans in the US support Israel is because embracing fundamentalist Christian eschatology gets them votes they don't have to work for. Right?
  - dotancohen 9mo ago
    No, actually, it seems to me that Americans support Israel because we have the same system of values (democracy, human rights, rule of law), and have the same enemies who wish to destroy both our societies.
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    - Timwi 9mo ago
      > enemies who wish to destroy both our societies. How can you say this, out loud, and not immediately hear yourself as the villain? This is such a cartoonishly deluded and paranoid belief, it truly boggles the mind.
      - CamperBob2 9mo ago
        He's not wrong, he just stopped going through the "Five Whys" process about four whys too soon.

You seem to be using the terms "left leaning person" and "right leaning person" when you actually mean "normal people" and "sociopaths." Left and right have nothing to do with it.

kikokikokiko 9mo ago

Yep, no rational argument can be used to make you (or me) see the same movie.

CamperBob2 9mo ago
List the rational arguments in favor of the so-called "right-leaning" point of view (OP's term, not mine) with respect to the Pretti killing. Spoiler: there are no such arguments, effective or otherwise. To apologists it looks like a Rorschach test; to normal people it looks like a snuff film, brought to us by the same studio that is now distributing child pornography. Meanwhile, it's possible to favor free enterprise, (genuinely) smaller government, low taxes, free trade, and other so-called "right-leaning" perspectives without joining a slack-jawed personality cult that demands that you deny the evidence of your own eyes.
- brabel 9mo ago
  In my country, lifting a finger against an officer on duty will land you in big trouble. If you got a gun on you and you resist arrest, like happened in this case, you are absolutely getting shot. I can’t really understand you Americans. What do you think an armed person reacting to arrest is going to do with that gun given the chance? If you were a cop would you take chances?? If you did you wouldn’t be here complaining about anything as you would be dead.
  - throwaway894345 9mo ago
    1. In the United States, we have Constitutional rights, including the right to carry a gun with proper permits. Like other rights, the state can't murder you for having a gun on your person, but if they have a credible reason to think that you are an immediate threat, they can shoot you. The legal standard for "immediate threat" does not cover this scenario because (1) Pretti wasn't resisting (2) the police stripped him of his gun before they executed him and (3) the agents approached Pretti for no reason at all; Pretti was clearly peacefully recording with his hands clearly visible. > If you were a cop would you take chances I wouldn't be a cop if I was afraid that every person with a cell phone might shoot me with a gun, or if I was afraid that every soccer mom in a car might try to run me over. And while American policing is riddled with accountability problems, it's important to emphasize that the crushing majority of American police can manage much riskier circumstances without murdering anyone--it seems to be exclusively the agencies under the Department of Homeland Security that behave like secret police on a regular basis.
    - brabel 9mo ago
      He clearly resisted otherwise what was the struggle about when he felt on the floor ??
      - throwaway894345 9mo ago
        He was tackled on the ice and was trying to keep his face out of the pavement.
      - CamperBob2 9mo ago
        Reflexes. When you're attacked without provocation by several people, you put out your hands involuntarily to fend them off. When you are knocked down, you involuntarily try to get back up. On icy ground you are also trying to maintain your balance. You are demanding that the victim maintain a clear head under stressful conditions, while holding his attackers to no such standard. But you knew that.
JCattheATM 9mo ago
The video itself and the facts it supports are objective.

snayan 9mo ago

The sociopaths you refer to see themselves as the normal people and you as the sociopath.

CamperBob2 9mo ago
(Shrug) Nobody thinks they're the bad guys, including the actual bad guys. As usual, it's not hard to tell who the bad guys are: they're the ones who initiate violence.

dotancohen 9mo ago

So you consider people with different values then you sociopaths? You sound very intolerant.

srean 9mo ago
Depends on what those values are. Epstein had different values than I do. I don't think parent commenter is saying that leaning right is sociopathic, but that some people try to pass their sociopathy as a simple act of being right leaning.
CamperBob2 9mo ago
Yes. Karl Popper's 'Paradox of Tolerance' applies. TL,DR: tolerating intolerance turns out to be a bad idea. Glancing at your user page, this should be an exercise in preaching to the choir. You do understand that the only reason the Republicans in the US support Israel is because embracing fundamentalist Christian eschatology gets them votes they don't have to work for. Right?
- dotancohen 9mo ago
  No, actually, it seems to me that Americans support Israel because we have the same system of values (democracy, human rights, rule of law), and have the same enemies who wish to destroy both our societies.
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  - Timwi 9mo ago
    > enemies who wish to destroy both our societies. How can you say this, out loud, and not immediately hear yourself as the villain? This is such a cartoonishly deluded and paranoid belief, it truly boggles the mind.
    - CamperBob2 9mo ago
      He's not wrong, he just stopped going through the "Five Whys" process about four whys too soon.